Demons

[Stukov]

It tends to be hard to defy the laws of the universe.

Until the laws are shattered and all hell breaks lose. Was there a pun intended? Good way to meet the Arbiter though.

[Belial]

There is always pun intended.You know better than that.

[Stukov]

There is always pun intended.You know better than that.

One should always take credit for their own actions. The devil made me do it.

[Belial]

So you confess then!

I knew you put yourself up to it!

[Stukov]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFk2_5RkwlA

[Belial]

You could use a better poker face.I think Naberius has a few to spare.

I digress , back on topic.I have personally experienced demonic possession.Personally though it's not much fun to possess demons.

[Stukov]

Yes, back on topic. One should beware however, some places, you keep what you kill.

[Belial]

Ah yes that reminds me.Should one engage in the act of demon slaying I suggest eating it's remains upon success.Well I guess that only applies if you're familiar with that practice.You don't want to eat the entire thing , just the useful bits.

[Pyarun]

This topic is in beginners info.The clue there,is 'beginners'Pyarun.

Tell you what I see,I see words and that's all.I'm not going to focus or scry on them and I don't think wingsdefeu or anyone else who may not be that knowledgable,should either.

We should learn to walk before we try to run.

Wings is asking questions,that's healthy and a big part of what forums are about.However it's a bit much expecting him/her to scry,or look for active combat astrally,given that this is a beginners question asked in this folder.

Wingsdefeu,look around,google Demons/Demonology,you'll get lots of information and articles and you should read as much as you can,ask more questions and check out books and other sources also before attempting any practical works.I'm sure I'm being captain obvious in saying that,but I 'm saying it anyway,lol.

I don't work much with demons,so I can only be of limited use here,VenusSatanas,is a Spiritual Satanist and I'm sure she has linked her web site on this forum elsewhwere,but here it is again:

http://www.spiritualsatanist.com/

There is a ton of info here and you can talk with those who do work within Demonology/Demonolatry.I highly recommend looking and reading around the site.

All you see are words? You cant follow mental pointers? That is your problem, obviously there are members who can, my posts are aimed at them. You can safely ignore them.

[catboydale]

From Personal experience and research, since I take demons and angels very seriously, is that it is impossible to kill a demon. At least WE can't kill them. They are a being past our comprehension, something we honestly can't understand. If you are being harmed by demons, the best thing you can do is attempt to protect yourself from them.

[Nahemah]

"All you see are words? You cant follow mental pointers? That is your problem, obviously there are members who can, my posts are aimed at them. You can safely ignore them."

Haha,obvious troll is obvious.

Please,you are not that powerful.Sorry to burst yer bubble but.....S/troll on.

@ Everybody else,good points and valuable info.Thanks.

[Belial]

Yes you are right.I have trouble with that as I always tend to underestimate myself.I do in fact have a great deal of power but I must reluctantly admit I have issues regarding my intelligence levels.I am ashamed at some of the tricks I have fallen for.My sense of direction is yet another problem for me , I've wound up in the wrong place far too many times than I care to admit but I usually cover myself by making it seem like an intentional random act of evil when in reality I was aiming elsewhere.Nevertheless I take great pride in my own strength as I honestly have little else to offer aside from my sick sense of humor.Regardless that does not change the fact no human exists that can defeat me in a contest of power , actually I dare you find anyone that will.The few capable of doing so will without question refuse.

Not everything I stated was in humor.I do have a great deal of knowledge in these fields however I do not volunteer it so readily.Behind my words lay humor , below that lay tricks and past that exists truth.Only those who find the meaning behind my words are worthy of knowing them.Granted if somebody irritates me I do have the habit of leaving out an important step or two solely in malice.I'm not inherently evil however , scratch my back and I don't stab yours.

I digress despite everything else I feel I may have gone somewhat senile with my age.It's of little consequence though.It may get in my way on occasion but like everything else that does I trample it asunder.I admit I tend to be rather arrogant but I feel I have every right to , after all none have managed to put me in my place.If you still feel confident I challenge you to deliver my long overdue comeuppances , should by some miracle you succeed I will be more humble in future interactions.

Now back on topic.Regarding the issue of combating demonic forces , I would strongly advise working to improve one's own power prior to using it to combat others.Do not underestimate demons , even lesser demons are superior in comparison to human beings.A lesser creature can still topple a giant.To the lesser though the stakes are far greater and leave less room for error.Though an octopus is often regarded as inferior to a shark it can still grasp victory.With the proper tools , the proper wisdom , almost any giant can be felled.Everything has flaws , to exploit those flaws is how you win.The mind is one of the most devastating weapons available though in some cases it still falls short.Sometimes you simply do not have the resources to bridge a gap.A mind without resource is a dull blade.One must realize they do not hold the sole privilege to this weapon.Your foes too shall in turn exploit your weaknesses , your flaws.Before you march to war , sharpen your weapons and cover your weak points.

It's also worth mentioning that demon slaying is a rather harsh job for human beings.The ones who are successful have all either honed their skills for much of their lives or have grown stronger through surviving immense tragedy.It may be a good idea to become apprentice to a successful demon slayer if you have intentions of actually surviving the occupation long.Many of the best demon slayers are not even human.This is not a sport , you're not asking how to play a game , you're asking how to do battle with a demon and you should not take this endeavor lightly.Take into consideration there is not one universal method of combating demons as they are just as if not even more varied than human beings.The methods you used to beat up a drunk in a bar fight will likely prove far less effective against an experienced martial artist or veteran soldier.Courage and confidence are important but if you cross the line into cockiness you will undoubtedly fall.Also I implore you not to point out the irony or hypocrisy of that statement.As with all things there are exceptions.

Most of the more effective methods of combating forces such as demons will in fact cost you part of yourself.It may sound like an unfair price but if you're serious do not allow this to deter you.It takes sacrifice to be a hero.To battle a spiritual or astral being you need a spiritual or astral weapon.That is where things get complicated.You can't simply stop at the local gun store and pick up a spiritual shotgun and a few hundred rounds of ammo.Odds are you will have to be the architect of your own weapon but to build something astral you must construct it of astral materials.For a human those are not so readily available other than using what you already have.This is of course where you lose part of yourself.Once you forge your spiritual weapon you may combat these forces.

If you're really clever and resourceful you can avoid that though.Even should you step into the battlefield unarmed you will find most of your enemies will bring their own weapons to the war.Despite the dangers posed by this method you can turn these weapons on their owners and even claim them for yourself.This method of course requires deception and strategy.

Now all that being said I assure you there are no hidden devices laid within my preceding words.Well other than the one right before this one.

Loholo gigapah bagle ar amma baltim gnay allar lonshin

[Nahemah]

If I may say though,this discusion has yielded good points.
am glad to have posters of the calibre of Belial and Stukov here on the forum and of everyone esle who has contributed here also,of course.

While it is rather interesting to have such allegedly advanced and masterful opinion as Pyrarun's,it is neither essential or necessarily conducive to beginner's questions to insert so called and supposed memes into posts on beginner's topics....

[Stukov]

If I may say though,this discusion has yielded good points.
am glad to have posters of the calibre of Belial and Stukov here on the forum and of everyone esle who has contributed here also,of course.

While it is rather interesting to have such allegedly advanced and masterful opinion as Pyrarun's,it is neither essential or necessarily conducive to beginner's questions to insert so called and supposed memes into posts on beginner's topics....

You know, I never tried to do the thing for his pointers before, so I tried it oh about year maybe 2 ago, then got what I thought was 3 words, or 2 words and a partial (one seemed to point back to the other if I recall correctly). Just to see if I was successful in my blind attempt, I PMed him to ask him giving the first letters of the words I had picked up. Never got a response. Kind of pointless to do if you can't even confirm what they are. Might as well just use your imagination.

[catboydale]

Scrying or using any sort of divination to find demons is not safe. It's just not. Honestly, even if you had a great amount of "power" I still wouldn't recommend actively searching for demons. To put it plain and simple, just don't. There are safer ways of learning about demons through physical research (e.g.The bible), or even talking to others who are well versed in Demonology.

And I would really like to find someone who said they killed a demon. Because I can tell you, they are lying. Banish, near believable. Cast out, probable. But to kill, something that doesn't follow the laws of our own physical realm... that'd be quite the feat if you ask me. If you are talking to someone who claims to be killing demons, I would question his/her power or even sanity. Demons aren't a joke. You have to remember, in the grand scheme of things, we are simply mortal humans. Those who are trained in exorcism spend years learning how to cast demons out of the human body, and that shows great faith.

If combating demons is something you wish to peruse, you need to take baby steps. Tossing some holy water around and chanting prayers isn't enough. These things take time. And you do this at your own risk.

[Stukov]

Scrying or using any sort of divination to find demons is not safe. It's just not. Honestly, even if you had a great amount of "power" I still wouldn't recommend actively searching for demons. To put it plain and simple, just don't. There are safer ways of learning about demons through physical research (e.g.The bible), or even talking to others who are well versed in Demonology.

Yeah, pretty much what most knowledgeable will say.

And I would really like to find someone who said they killed a demon. Because I can tell you, they are lying. Banish, near believable. Cast out, probable. But to kill, something that doesn't follow the laws of our own physical realm... that'd be quite the feat if you ask me.

I can tell you, in a life that is not this one, I have killed more than I could probably count, and it wasn't exactly something I desired. And no, I wasn't human. There is a reason I warned of "in some places you keep what you kill".

If you are talking to someone who claims to be killing demons, I would question his/her power or even sanity. Demons aren't a joke. You have to remember, in the grand scheme of things, we are simply mortal humans. Those who are trained in exorcism spend years learning how to cast demons out of the human body, and that shows great faith.

Most people are just humans, but there is quite a cluster-fck of beings that are coming to have the human experience. But yes, the average single person is no match for a demon. However, a large enough group could defeat one, as long as they aren't trying to battle some of the more powerful and battle hardened ones. The problem with a large group is that unless they are very well trained, self-willed, and embrace their own shadow - the demon will be able to break the group by going after the weak links. Divide and conquer.

Of course then there is always the magical equivalent of "reinforcements" when people call forth other spiritual beings to assist with the spirit. But you aren't going to get a whole lot of help calling out a demon just to call on someone else to kill it for you. Just way to asinine even for the "good".

If combating demons is something you wish to peruse, you need to take baby steps. Tossing some holy water around and chanting prayers isn't enough. These things take time. And you do this at your own risk.

As much as we would all like to say "stay away from demons, you will live longer", as most of us have said here. There will be a time and place, sooner rather than later, that having the experience to defend yourself against such aggressors will be paramount to one's survival.

[purgatory]

I know this is somewhat out of the blue. But how do you kill a demon?

why do you want to kill a demon?

[Stukov]

I know this is somewhat out of the blue. But how do you kill a demon?

why do you want to kill a demon?

Because they have such big teeth.

[Belial]

I'm afraid that depends on the species Stukov.It's also worth mentioning that certain types of demons require special methods of disposal therefore there is no real universal means to accomplish the specified goal.

[Apil Sin]

First of all, what demon do you want to kill? What is the reason? You yourself cannot kill a demon. ESPECIALLY from the 6th region. Are you dealing with maantricks?




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Apil Sin

[Belial]

Seriously now Sin if he were then he would have already been killed.It wouldn't sit around and wait for him to attack.

[Apil Sin]

Seriously now Sin if he were then he would have already been killed.It wouldn't sit around and wait for him to attack.

Agreed and that's what I'm saying...

[Stukov]

I'm afraid that depends on the species Stukov.It's also worth mentioning that certain types of demons require special methods of disposal therefore there is no real universal means to accomplish the specified goal.

Btw, which post of mine were you referring to?

[Belial]

I was referring to your wise post stating the reason he wanted to kill the demon was because it has such big teeth.I simply threw the rest in there to remain on topic.

[Stukov]

I was referring to your wise post stating the reason he wanted to kill the demon was because it has such big teeth.I simply threw the rest in there to remain on topic.

Hmm, it can also be because of such big eyes they have.