Blending Christ.

[WildWise14]

Does anyone here think it is possible to blend Christianity with Wicca? I'm willing to hear any and all reasons, comments, etc...I expect to hear a very large variety of ideas on this.

Thanks,

RSG

[Vashta]

Yes, absolutely, look at Vodou, for example. It's essentially an African religion wrapped in Christianity. You could synthesize your own way of doing it along similar lines: look at the deities and their forms, and find their Christian counterparts.

I don't have many resources on that one available at the moment, I'm at work, but I thought I would suggest it as a possible route to what you seek.

It might even be worth asking this one in the Chaos Magick board..

[WildWise14]

Thanks, Vashta! [thumbup]

[Vashta]

Also just wanted to apologise, I've deleted the copies of this post on the other boards, it's usually considered bad form to post the same message multiple times. I'm not sure where this thread belongs, so I've left the one that had replies, and deleted the rest. We can always move the thread if it is in the wrong place

[Nahemah]

This has been argued,sometimes quite vehemently too,all over NeoPagan forums for quite some time already.

I say it depends on how Dogmatic you want to be about it. [crazy]

"Wicca is an Initiatory Mystery Religion".
This is a statement often used as a hammer to batter the Unitiated and the Eclectic with,over and over by lineaged Initiates.

If an Eclectic Wiccan tells you it's fine,a Gardnerian/Alexandrian [usually of the BTW variety,but sometimes also UK based folk too] will soon pop up to ridicule both the querent and the answerer. [geek]

On the other side of the extreme,God Fearing Fundies will often warn of the DIRE consequences of blending Satan's evil works with the Holy and Unassailable truth of the One God. [clown]

A giant flame war lasting multiple pages,full of flawed and angry rhetoric will then ensue,with massive butthurt on both sides,until the original querent slinks away,thinking,they are all crazies and maybe Secular Humanism is looking like the only sane alternative. [evil]


I 've observed this multiple times,personally.It's ridiculous,but it's surprisingly common.

[Nahemah]

Is the Spiritual belief structure in Wicca signficant for you,or is it the Witchcraft that is more interesting?

How Esoteric is your Christianity also?

[WildWise14]

I would like to formulate a package deal. Make sense of some way to follow Christ AND Wicca/ Witchcraft.


Thanks for posting!

RSG

[Belial]

At the risk of causing sparks with my blasphemous humor I say ask yourself "What would Jesus do?" , the answer is Necromancy lol.Pretty sure you're all clear to practice Wicca considering the elite of Christianity have been known to be experts in far darker practices.You should do whatever you feel is right.Still I can't blame you if I don't exactly inspire much trust , after all I am the guy that throws his sandals when he hears the line "He who is without sin cast the first stone".Technically though I didn't do anything wrong.

[Ula]

I am not wiccan but witch and I have incorporated Christianity into my pagan practice. Christ preformed magic or miracles whichever word you choose to use. I also view the Holy Spirit as feminine as found in the Gnostic texts. To me the structure and basic principle are pretty universal in most faiths.

[Nahemah]

Thank you Ula,that was my thoughts too.

Gnostic Witchcraft /Gnostic Christianity with syncretised elements of Wicca.

I am glad you posted here. [thumbup]

Belial,you have a wicked sense of humour,you shoe thrower you,but you always make a decent point. [grin]

Watch out for the Dogmaticists,Wildwise14,on both sides.My first post,reads quite funny,it was meant to,but I am being serious too.

In your search for knowledge you will invariably encounter bullshit and horseplay from idiots who are so rigid in their thinking that no matter how much they study and try and read and examine and pore over,they will always fall somewhere short of understanding of anything spiritual.

[WildWise14]

Thanks for all your replies. They helped a lot. [yay]

[WildWise14]

I do want to incorporate some of the gods in, too. I don't want my Lord and Lady being Jesus and the Holy Ghost. lol

[Ula]

Some Gnostic text imply that the god of the Old Testament is not the Father/ Creator and that is why the New Testament is different from the Old. IF that is the case, then there is no reason to not acknowledge other pantheons and their deities as long as the one source gets some credit. I pray and ask for blessing in my spell work to Father, Son, Holy Spirit but my matron is Frau Holda.

She is not only a deity from the area my family originally came from but is the example I want to live by as a wife and mother. It sounds odd but it works for me.

[WildWise14]

Ula- Great post!

Where is Frau Holda from? I have some memory of that, but I'm not sure.

[Nahemah]

http://www.hrafnar.org/goddesses/holda.html

[Ula]

The link is through. She is usuallly associated with Frigg.

[Nahemah]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... tml?cat=34

A long,but interesting article,you might find useful. [grin]

There is other interesting material on this site also.

[OccultNoob]

Thanks for asking this. I was just about to ask the same thing. I'm a Christian and I'm new to all this. I only just started looking into it because I wanted to better understand my new girl friend who is a second generation Wiccan. Both her parents are Wiccans and she is very devoted to the religion. I was recently kicked out of my church for being a lesbian so maybe traditional Christianity isn't for me anymore and God lead me to her for a reason.

[Clockwork Ghost]

You cant blend any religion that is singular by practice, such as Christianity, if you want to keep the letter and law of the religion whole. If all you want is a synergistic combination of faiths based on the precepts of what it teaches, eg to love one another and to love God, then you can take a paradigm and merge it with whatever other paradigm you wish. All systems in all faiths, unless otherwise noted within the paradigm in question, are designed to be followed in a singular pattern, not as part of a whole. If you want to make a jigsaw puzzle out of a combination of faiths you first have to break those faiths apart and work out how they connect to one another - this is the core concept behind paradigm piracy.

[Rin]

In my experience most christian's pick and choose which parts of their religion they want to follow, or which interpretation rings true for them, so I don't see why you couldn't merge some of their practices with your own wiccan beliefs. A lot of Jesus' teachings are very compatible with any religious or spiritual path, as are some of the basic concepts of christianity (immortality of the soul, the divine as the source of all life, the triple deity).

[Clockwork Ghost]

In my experience most christian's pick and choose which parts of their religion they want to follow, or which interpretation rings true for them, so I don't see why you couldn't merge some of their practices with your own wiccan beliefs. A lot of Jesus' teachings are very compatible with any religious or spiritual path, as are some of the basic concepts of christianity (immortality of the soul, the divine as the source of all life, the triple deity).

This would be dependant on which denomination of Christianity youre using for your base, I guess. Your argument runs completely valid with any of the less dogmatic ones, such as the Protestant faiths, or less strict branches of Catholicism, or anyone who follows Christianity in a logical fashion as a faith in Jesus and His teachings, but not in the Charismatic denominations, militant Catholicism, or any of the more fringe versions that abhor the blending of Christianity with what the followers see to be Satanism pure and simple.

Yes, a good majority of sensible Christians can see their religion as capable of surviving in a more holistic world view, but I would suggest that a growing number of followers of the more active branches, those being the more attractive Charismatic strands, wouldnt touch anything other than the Gospel truths with a barge pole.

[dodaive]

To me the most important factor of following the Bible is determining what to take literally or what to take metaphorically. Jesus himself talks about speaking in parables. Talk about where you draw this line, and I'll give you feedback on whether you can blend the two. IMHO, there are certain factions of christianity that practice severe practices of anti-logic, anti-learning and anti-reasoning. In this case nothing blends with anything.

[Clockwork Ghost]

The biggest problem I see with following the Bible is that its been modified so heavily through its association with the church, which itself has its own goals and aspirations, the greatest example being the Council of Nicea in which the structure of the Bible was decided upon in the first place. That, and the fact that every version of the Bible differs in delivery based on the image of Jesus its wants to deliver and how metaphorical it wants to come across, makes using the Bible as a tool for anything other than Christianity rather difficult.

If you want to merge Christianity with other sources, the best thing is to actually go with the works of the Jehovahs Witnesses, of all people. The JW's pride themselves on an exact (or as close to) translation from ancient Greek in their Bible, something that drives other denominations completely potty, mostly because it denounces the belief that Jesus was nailed to a cross, that Heaven is travelled to upon death, that Hell is a place, and numerous other common misconceptions followed by modern Christian faiths.