Demons

Post by **Belial** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:45 am

I think it's all a conspiracy developed by the evil human regime to disrupt the perfect economy enjoyed by demons purely out of spite and sheer evilness.Humans are just like that.

Now in all seriousness one method for killing one demon isn't going to be a universal solution to killing any and all demons.If you want detailed instructions on slaying a demon please list it's species or a good enough description for someone else to evaluate what species it belongs to.

Stukov · Post by **Stukov** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:01 am

Well yeah you can't lump then all into one, but this isn't an expert section of the forum, but beginners.

JonBrim · Post by **JonBrim** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:00 pm

I only know of one way to actually end the existence of a demonic spirit. I had real reasons for wanting to do so. It took me years to find the tool that could do it. I am not going to out right tell you what it is or how its used, but i will say that this tool was first created in India. Thats all you get. The rest is up to you.

JonBrim · Post by **JonBrim** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:03 pm

I am also a practicing demonologist with nine years of field experience and twelve of book. If you have any questions feel free to ask.

Post by **Belial** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:43 pm

Things are not always so simple Jon.Sure a gun is well suited for killing people but that does not mean it will work on each and every person.Demons are not all the same , they come in large varieties ranging in every aspect you could imagine.What if your target was not an ordinary demon?Are you confident that you could take down say a Demon King with your tool?Also there is more than one way to cook a goose.

Stukov · Post by **Stukov** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:22 pm

Aflac.

JonBrim · Post by **JonBrim** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:18 pm

Belial wrote:Things are not always so simple Jon.Sure a gun is well suited for killing people but that does not mean it will work on each and every person.Demons are not all the same , they come in large varieties ranging in every aspect you could imagine.What if your target was not an ordinary demon?Are you confident that you could take down say a Demon King with your tool?Also there is more than one way to cook a goose.

Yes Belial you are correct. I have only had to use this tool once and that was during an exorcisim that was killing the host. I only know that It worked then and if i had no other options, and all banishings, cleansings, and exorcisms failed i would use it again. I do not take it lightly, and i am not an ignorant child( not implying you said that). I respect all life human or spirit. Plus in the end the tools we all use can only take us half way. Its up to our will and determination to finish the rest. So to answer your question, yes if i had to absolutely end a demon today and someone was at risk, then yes i have confidence it would work yet again. I much prefer banishings and exorcisms over the alternative any day.

Your right, there are many different kinds of demons in the cosmos. But opposed to the above mentioned incident, my banishing have been effective on everything from a Rakshasas to a Seirem. I truly respect your statement, and line of questions. I would love to talk to you more sometime if you would be interested in that Belial.

Jon

Stukov · Post by **Stukov** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:17 pm

If you killed a "demon" through your method as you said you have, what did you do with that which was left over?

JonBrim · Post by **JonBrim** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:27 pm

Stukov wrote:If you killed a "demon" through your method as you said you have, what did you do with that which was left over?

The residual left over energy was pulled into several quartz pointers. Then the crystals, person, and house were cleansed and purified. The house was then sealed. Is that was you wanted to know?

Stukov · Post by **Stukov** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:30 pm

I don't think what you are describing is the killing of a "demon" from "hell". Unless you physically manifested the thing, then drew into something (I don't think a few crystals would be sufficient for a whole life-forms energy) which I don't see currently all that possible (at least for another month or less).

The only way your scenario makes sense if you did what you did to an ex-human soul/spirit that was still lingering on this plane of existence. While that makes your story plausible, I don't see it being applicable to most "demons" I know. They don't exist here, and their killing their "extension" here won't kill them there. Because I don't really expect you to have went there to kill them (as you didnt say that).

JonBrim · Post by **JonBrim** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:07 pm

Stukov wrote:I don't think what you are describing is the killing of a "demon" from "hell". Unless you physically manifested the thing, then drew into something (I don't think a few crystals would be sufficient for a whole life-forms energy) which I don't see currently all that possible (at least for another month or less).

The only way your scenario makes sense if you did what you did to an ex-human soul/spirit that was still lingering on this plane of existence. While that makes your story plausible, I don't see it being applicable to most "demons" I know. They don't exist here, and their killing their "extension" here won't kill them there. Because I don't really expect you to have went there to kill them (as you didnt say that).

You should private message me. I don't want to continue this back and forth here. I'll tell you everything you want to know with detail seeing as your sceptical and i don't blame you for being so.

Stukov · Post by **Stukov** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:50 pm

No. Back and forth is here for the benefit of the community. Knowledge should not be locked away behind private doors.

JonBrim · Post by **JonBrim** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:06 pm

Stukov wrote:No. Back and forth is here for the benefit of the community. Knowledge should not be locked away behind private doors.

Ok very well. The ritual was the rite of the purba. The spirit had manifested after much provacation, take in mind that it was possessing someone. then i used a ritual by Trithemius to pull the excess into crystals. It was successful for me. The boy is alive and the demon is gone forever. This isnt like the movies, they don't take on flesh and blood bodies unless they possess one.

Stukov · Post by **Stukov** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:12 pm

Unless it is a spirit that lives on this plane, like my suggestion of a dead human being, possession is an extension from another realm. Possession isn't a manifestation it is a hack of the connection between a human body and its spirit. Like a puppet master with his strings. Even if it was making noises, throwing objects, etc, that doesn't mean it has manifested for you to be able to kill it, unless as I said, a "lesser" being that resides here.

JonBrim · Post by **JonBrim** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:47 pm

Stukov wrote:Unless it is a spirit that lives on this plane, like my suggestion of a dead human being, possession is an extension from another realm. Possession isn't a manifestation it is a hack of the connection between a human body and its spirit. Like a puppet master with his strings. Even if it was making noises, throwing objects, etc, that doesn't mean it has manifested for you to be able to kill it, unless as I said, a "lesser" being that resides here.

No offense but i think your giving the demons a little too much credit. I'm not exactly the first person to do this and i'm sure i wont be the last. You can believe what you want to and i will do the same.

Stukov · Post by **Stukov** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:23 pm

JonBrim wrote:
Stukov wrote:Unless it is a spirit that lives on this plane, like my suggestion of a dead human being, possession is an extension from another realm. Possession isn't a manifestation it is a hack of the connection between a human body and its spirit. Like a puppet master with his strings. Even if it was making noises, throwing objects, etc, that doesn't mean it has manifested for you to be able to kill it, unless as I said, a "lesser" being that resides here.
No offense but i think your giving the demons a little too much credit. I'm not exactly the first person to do this and i'm sure i wont be the last. You can believe what you want to and i will do the same.

Only way someone could "give demons too much credit" is if you make the definition of "demons" so broad that anything can fit into it.

hobotubbie · Post by **hobotubbie** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:39 pm

Not too much credit being given in my opinion, just pointing the difference between expelling and killing.

Not doubting of you being a great artist in what you do i find it really non sense to be able to kill something which is in a different dimension, the travel to the right dimension like stukov pointed could make sense if you have what it takes to do it, even tho, for much as i think i can't find a motive for someone to want to do such a thing (the intention to kill it) .. at least someone whose "mission" seems to be helping human beings with spiritual problems.

And still .. an accomplishment even something more possible like trying to trap and imprisioning it i wouldn't recommend it to anyone because the consequences of such things could be fatal .. unless you have a really strong motive to do it.

JonBrim · Post by **JonBrim** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:28 am

Only way someone could "give demons too much credit" is if you make the definition of "demons" so broad that anything can fit into it.[/quote]

I know the difference. I have been doing this professionally for years. I have come across too many spirits and encountered too much phenomenon in this field not to know the difference. You may not believe me. But like i said, i'm not the first to do this and won't be the last. I'm not here preaching that i'm better than you or know more than you. I'm simply making a truthful statement. Since I was there and it worked i decided to mention it here. Not to be told that i'm wrong or it wasn't a demonic spirit. The tools and rituals i used can be used by anyone for this specific purpose, and have been. I simply used other tools to dispose of what was left. I don't stick to any one way of doing anything and have a very eclectic point of view. Now if your saying that what i did isn't possible, then perhaps a little research into the subject could help everyone concerned. I personally have no problems with demons, rakshasas, seirem, devas, daemons, jinn, oni, yokai, shedu, or any other name or title you want to give them. I only get involved when people are at risk of negative phenomena. I only respond to cases involving negative spirits. I know you still won't think that its possible, but honestly that doesn't bother me. You can believe and practice what you think is right and i will live and help people with what i know. Everybody wins, hows that sound?

Stukov · Post by **Stukov** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:42 pm

JonBrim wrote: I know the difference. I have been doing this professionally for years. I have come across too many spirits and encountered too much phenomenon in this field not to know the difference. You may not believe me. But like i said, i'm not the first to do this and won't be the last. I'm not here preaching that i'm better than you or know more than you. I'm simply making a truthful statement. Since I was there and it worked i decided to mention it here. Not to be told that i'm wrong or it wasn't a demonic spirit. The tools and rituals i used can be used by anyone for this specific purpose, and have been. I simply used other tools to dispose of what was left. I don't stick to any one way of doing anything and have a very eclectic point of view. Now if your saying that what i did isn't possible, then perhaps a little research into the subject could help everyone concerned. I personally have no problems with demons, rakshasas, seirem, devas, daemons, jinn, oni, yokai, shedu, or any other name or title you want to give them. I only get involved when people are at risk of negative phenomena. I only respond to cases involving negative spirits. I know you still won't think that its possible, but honestly that doesn't bother me. You can believe and practice what you think is right and i will live and help people with what i know. Everybody wins, hows that sound?

I think you possibly misunderstand what it is I'm saying. I think almost anything is possible, I most certainly could be 100% wrong, but what it comes down to is probabilities. What the issue is that even before we bring up your senario, the word "demons" is a very broad category. I'm sure you know how the catholic church "demonized" every type of spirit (even some angels) if they didn't fit in line with how the church saw how people should believe in their religion. The whole idea of any spirit, not 100% lock step and inline with their "god", was considered an evil entity - under the influence of the ha-satan - and thus associated realm of hell.

There are many different realms and my different types of spirits and many of them were called "demons" after what the catholic church did. Even some of these spirits who are now called demons are in fact, very manevolent, and while they may take a vacation in "hell" ever so often, they are not from there. They aren't the "true demons" that come from Hades, very old and powerful spirits that at current time cannot even fully leave. At best they can create a "holographic" image of themselves or control another like a puppet master, but they don't ever exist here (at least not right now or in the past several thousand years).

You have said you killed a "demon", is that possible? Sure. But the probabilities are that you just killed a malevolent spirit that exists in or around this earthly realm and is considered a demon by the broad form of the term the catholic church started. Hell, so many times through exorcism and other things a spirit will claim to be a demon - even by name, or even the "satan" itself. You see, there is no ID cards for the spirit world. I could go there and claim to be Jimmany Cricket and whoever is listening wouldn't ever know. Any spirit can claim to be anyone - and many do. Then there is the fact most any "demons" or even any old powerful spirits - they don't concern themselves with the affairs of human beings. They see humans, for the most part, weak, pathetic creatures.

But there are plenty of other "lesser" type spirits that fit perfectly in your scenario. The probabilities from all the knowledge and experience I have point to that being more probable. Because keep in mind, if you had actually drawn a "true demon" from Hades here, that would have made a giant hole in the veil between there and here, and I assure you, if that would have happened you wouldn't have 1 beast on your hands, they would have flooded through.

I also don't say it like this to belittle your work, at most I am trying to assist on the accuracy of your knowledge. And I'm sure you are very experienced and knowledgeable, but the best I can do is express my perception for your consideration. And just FYI, what I'm getting was what you killed was a trainee or apprentice to a jinn/djinn type being or as I said earlier an ex human spirit trapped in this realm who has stuck around instead of moving on and was doing that sort of thing for a while, a whole vengeance hatred type of a thing. I wouldn't be surprised if it choose the victim through some sort of connection, either by means of family tree, or similar circumstance from their life. I'd say 400-600 years old...and could have been both (a dead human under the command/tutelage of a much older/powerful jinn/djinn type of spirit).

Perhaps someone else could get a read and see if I'm accurate or completely off.

JonBrim · Post by **JonBrim** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:16 am

I understand what your saying and i apologize. I take my work very seriously. Many demons have told me that they live in this realm among us. I personally dont believe in the catholic/christian hell. Atleast not the dante's inferno that they do. The spirits that ive come against are definitely among us. I have several fading scratch scars to prove it. I know that the astral is the closest realm to us but there are millions of earth-bound spirits.

Stukov · Post by **Stukov** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:34 am

JonBrim wrote:I understand what your saying and i apologize. I take my work very seriously. Many demons have told me that they live in this realm among us. I personally dont believe in the catholic/christian hell. Atleast not the dante's inferno that they do. The spirits that ive come against are definitely among us. I have several fading scratch scars to prove it. I know that the astral is the closest realm to us but there are millions of earth-bound spirits.

Not a big dealio, no offense was taken so no need to apologize. Far as the whole "hell" thing, there is a "hell" such as the christians believe, but it exists more as a concept for those who believe in that sort of thing. Believe in the whole christianity box, and you will end up trapping yourself there. Its mostly just an imaginary prison though.

Then there is what I often call "Hades", which is where the idea of "hell" sort of originates, and far predates the earth itself, as well as the astral. When I talk of "real demons" that is where they are "from".

But yeah plenty of spirits of different forms that exist around our own realm, with exception to some elder more neutral type spirits that have been around here for longer than man, most spirits you will encounter aren't that "tough". Well, they are tough for a human being by themselves, but nothing compared to what resides in "Hades".

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