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[Ntfs42]

Hi

let me start, i am in no way part of organized religion, nor do i plan on being
I however do believe in magic to some extent

There is a huge problem i am dealing with, it definitely has to do with the occult. After many years of researching/suffering

So it turns out my room mate does black magic...supposedly. I come to the house one day and i caught him Rehearsing some weird tounge while standing in the bathroom over the sink with the water running, i later checked the sink and it turned out to have some blood near the drainage....not sure what blood it was.

Yea many bad things have been happening for years now.

I experience random pain everywhere all over my body, doctors tell me i'm fine....well what do ya know...

weird experiences in the house, it's definitely not a ghost. Something hitting objects in my room i sleep in, the wall and floors creaking,

then one night THE SAME GUY calling me at 3am in the morning telling me to get back to the house because "A LOT OF WEIRD THINGS ARE HAPPENING"

...Me waking up to a presence in the house and freaking out sleeping with the lights on almost all the time.

One night i was waiting for the bus at 8pm and i heard ambulance sirens and all of a sudden i heard a person QUICKLY walk past me, almost as if the thing was INVISIBLE...but i definitely felt a presence.

I am getting little cuts everywhere and have been...

one night i visited one of my friends and stayed over for the night, totally different house, i was watching tv and saw a DAMN SHADOW fly past the television screen....and i heard weird vibrations moving all over the ceiling and i heard what sounded like a machine running up stairs and bags being dragged across the floor..., all while my 2 friends were sleeping, one of them woke up and then the noises stopped suddenly, they fell back asleep and 15 minutes later it started, I was disturbed.


I am dealing with some serious BS over here....I'm not sure how i am still sane.

it's been going on for about 5 years now, too much i cannot even remember or recall, Sometimes when i eat i come across what seems like a little rock in my food or something crunchy, randomly, doesn't matter what i eat. i get random chest pains, leg pains, pain in my head, pain in my eyes, nose, hands, feet...

I was once on my computer and had random blood appear on my glasses, i only noticed when i took them off, Blood on lens. a small drip

There is so much more, i cannot recall, This is just the tip of the iceberg

I even moved out for a couple of months and it still continued, thus me wasting time and money/resources, i moved back


Someone help me out?

This guy is a good friend of mine, we both live together, he is married and has kids but is divorced....

[Ntfs42]

and also i forgot to mention, some nights, mainly in the fall/winter, i hear what appears to sound like a boat horn...only it sounds as if someone is doing by mouth through some type of instrument...

it's very weird/disturbing.

it sounds randomly during nights, doooooooooo and continues till the morning and usually ends before the sun rises, and it's definitely not a boat i know for sure....


i'm not really sacred, i just want to get to the bottom of this and stop it

[Madavascus]

Dear Ntfs42,

Judging by your description, you may be under the influence of black magic. The events you describe match the effects of a particularly nasty form of blood magic, although it would surprise me that you're friend is versed in such an art, although blood magic is a rather simple, masochistic form of occultism, and requires little more than strong magical will and the letting of blood. You've mentioned that you still live with the suspected sorcerer. May I ask why?

I also surprised that this has been going on for five years without eventually losing its effect, if in fact you are under the influence of the same spell. It is not impossible that the suspected blood magician used blood to evoke an evil spirit or magical servitor to terrorize you (from what I see he has been rather successful so far). Is your friend deeply involved into the occult?

Blood magic has the reputation among many occult circles to be a rather powerful art, because it uses the fiery blood, the very vessel of the magician's life and energy, to bring about magical effects and/or feed spirits. It can have rather permanent effects as well, but exposes the blood magician to some danger in certain instances, if the blood used opens a link between himself and something else...

I humbly recommend that you start learning about self-defense. Dion Fortune's classic on the subject might be of help. http://tarotinstitute.com/free/psychic.pdf Also, learn the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram, and learn how to banish and exorcise objects and spaces in general. Best of luck.

[Nahemah]

Judging by your description, you may be under the influence of black magic. The events you describe match the effects of a particularly nasty form of blood magic, although it would surprise me that you're friend is versed in such an art, although blood magic is a rather simple, masochistic form of occultism, and requires little more than strong magical will and the letting of blood. You've mentioned that you still live with the suspected sorcerer. May I ask why?

Sorry to differ Ssormany,but this sounds like dabbling gone way wrong to me.I am well aquainted with Blood Magicks and I feel I should point out also that I am not Masochistic nor am I Simplistic,in either use or intent.

If this is blood magick,then 'they r doin it wrong,lulz' [crazy]
I think,so far,that Somebody went and summoned a nasty and can't get the genie back in the bottle,well,there you go,these things can happen when youthful enthusiasm overtakes good sense.

I 'm going to reread before commenting further as there are some parts of this story that are well,intriguing,seems like the OP is somehow fascinated or tied in to the phenomena,perhaps magickally ,perhaps otherwise.

I could be wrong,but I 've helped clean up messes that ran similarly in the past,though five years,yes,that is a bit long admittedly.So I 'll reread and then come back later.

[Ntfs42]

i'm not fascinated by this stuff at all, i did play silent hill 4 the room, which is based upon the ars goetia by king solomon...that's how i started to realize something is not right....Odd that a video game gave me some hints

yes it's been a long time, and there is no way i can progress in my life if this continues, I'm not looking forward to being homeless and begging the greedy people for money....because that will eventually happen if this continues indefinitely

i cannot focus, i'm tired all the time, I have to force myself through my days...i started to get on prescription meds for adhd to get me through the days...and that had bad side effects

I went on valium....

I am off the meds because of terrible side effects.

and besides all the health problems i have a breathing problem, for the past 5 years too, it's difficult for me to breathe, after seeing about 7 different doctors/specialist on the Respiratory system, i was told i have an infection in my nose, given anti biotics and was told Not to eat ice cream

i freaked out...to this very moment i cannot breathe good and basically gave up visiting doctors because all told me the same thing, and i live in nyc, some of the top doctors work here.

I'm feel like i'm slowly dying...

[Nahemah]

Sorry ,wasn't too clear there,I mean 'fascinated' as in 'enchanted',magickally speaking,like you've been made part of this by the friend or through being around at the time,in some way.I don''t mean that you like it or wanted it to happen and I 'm not trying to be funny about it.I do apply humour sometimes,when there is a serious point and I shouldn't have done that here.

[Ntfs42]

it's okay, i understand your concept,, i am utterly exhausted.

do you know of any information or banishings i can do? This is getting out of hand.

i have seen the shadow person twice, once in a friends house, and once when i was living on my own, it passed by me quickly in the dining room...It looks like a person figure, i saw it for less than 1 second and it disappeared...

even people i have come into contact with have been experiencing weird phenomena, A girl i know said there are ghosts in her apartment, 2nd time mentioning it to me and she began crying, another time i met her we drank beer and smoked cigarettes and she began burning sage...apparently to ward off evil...it still hasn't worked.


some advice on how to put an end to this monstrosity?

[akimbomoss]

http://ultra-culture.com/index2.htm

P. 73 Advanced Banishing and ProteXtion

[Madavascus]

Sorry to differ Ssormany,but this sounds like dabbling gone way wrong to me.I am well aquainted with Blood Magicks and I feel I should point out also that I am not Masochistic nor am I Simplistic,in either use or intent.

I apologize if I have deprecated your art, Nehemah - that was not my intention, and I must admit to having a very limited knowledge of blood magic. I am not aware of its complexities or its varying forms, so it was not right of me to judge it so. I would be interested in learning more you art in the future, if you will allow it. [smile]

Ntfs42, try performing the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram.

http://www.kheper.net/topics/Hermeticism/LBR.htm

This is a basic ritual of ceremonial magic/theurgy whose occult effects will purify/balance your living space and yourself. This is the first ritual magicians practicing in the Golden Dawn system perform. Be bold, try it, and let us know of the results... Good luck.

[Ntfs42]

http://www.kheper.net/topics/Hermeticism/LBR.htm

This is a basic ritual of ceremonial magic/theurgy whose occult effects will purify/balance your living space and yourself. This is the first ritual magicians practicing in the Golden Dawn system perform. Be bold, try it, and let us know of the results... Good luck.

so i read the page and i came across a part


Draw, in the air facing EAST, a banishing Earth Pentagram as shown in the diagram, and bringing the point of the dagger to the center of the Pentagram, vibrate the Name Y H V H

i'm sorry but there is no way i am going to announce a Deity...

There has to be something else...

[Madavascus]

i'm sorry but there is no way i am going to announce a Deity...

There has to be something else...

As you wish.

There is in fact something else, and it is extra-ordinarily powerful: Laughter. [clown]

When you feel you are in the presence of ethereal hostility, utilize your will and imagine (force) this hostility take a concrete form, one that may at first glance frighten you. Then, exert the courage to utterly ridicule this form to a point it makes you laugh. Feel it disappear and waste away as you laugh.

In fact, if you'll permit me taking such a quaint example, the process is much like fighting against a boggart in the Harry Potter mythos... Case and point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hxF65X029c (please ignore the annoying pony music).

Perhaps some chaos magic will better suite you. Best of luck. [grin]

[Cleft]

i'm sorry but there is no way i am going to announce a Deity...

There has to be something else...

As you wish.

There is in fact something else, and it is extra-ordinarily powerful: Laughter. [clown]

When you feel you are in the presence of ethereal hostility, utilize your will and imagine (force) this hostility take a concrete form, one that may at first glance frighten you. Then, exert the courage to utterly ridicule this form to a point it makes you laugh. Feel it disappear and waste away as you laugh.

In fact, if you'll permit me taking such a quaint example, the process is much like fighting against a boggart in the Harry Potter mythos... Case and point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hxF65X029c (please ignore the annoying pony music).

Perhaps some chaos magic will better suite you. Best of luck. [grin]

I am sorry to so dramatically disagree but this seems most dangerous. There is something quite terrible about this instance, I think before you try to do anything it is important to work out what is going on.

One thing that interested me earlier was that you completely rejected the idea of paying homage to any deity. Even a person entirely secular in a situation like this would normaly turn to God from desperation. This would seem to imply that you either feel some kind of guilt or that you fear angering the spirit or demon that is harassing you. I find it difficult to belive that someone who claims to be so independent from the occult would reject God while accepting demons.


-I'm sorry for asking this out of the blue, but is there anyone who your scary friend has a grudge against who is somehow related to you, either though friendship, family or some other bond or even a third party?

[Ntfs42]

Even a person entirely secular in a situation like this would normaly turn to God from desperation. This would seem to imply that you either feel some kind of guilt or that you fear angering the spirit or demon that is harassing you. I find it difficult to belive that someone who claims to be so independent from the occult would reject God while accepting demons.


-I'm sorry for asking this out of the blue, but is there anyone who your scary friend has a grudge against who is somehow related to you, either though friendship, family or some other bond or even a third party?

i have no knowledge of god, nor of these so called demons,


I had enough of this craziness, turn to god? i used to believe in a so called creator, until i relasied it's just a never ending cycle/story...so my belief just ended there

What if god was good + bad? then what? what if demons didn't exist. what if this occult thing just used a dark side of the so called divine power of god to inflict all this nonsense...?

This can drag on....i want to stop it.

Desperately turn to god would do nothing for me, it did nothing for me 5 years ago.

all in all, countless times seeking help from the sky magician did absolutely nothing.

i just recently punched one of my family members in the face, because they could not stand my presence at the dinner table and gave me a dirty face, and mind you, i do my best to ignore that particular person, but i snapped...

I am going down a really bad road...Sooner or later i can either be, dead, in jail, homeless, etc

[Nahemah]

@Cleft: the OP stated a belief in Magic,but I don't see where Nfts42 has mentioned a belief in Demons.
I also find myself in disagreement with your statement of desperate unbelievers turning to God,the no atheists in foxholes argument is a false one,by the way,just saying.Some might turn to faith in desperation but many do not.

Nfts,in regard to your health,I understand how the chronic misery of respiratory illness can seriously weaken you.You need to fight this first,get stronger,so you can deal with the rest.

I strongly recommend Breathing exercises,Yogic breathing,a form of Pranayama is excellent for helping with this situation.I 've used this successfully myself.Can you access a round of antibiotics from your doctor? I had Doxycycline,which is a strong and effective treatment,but I also had 3 types of steroids too.I only began improving once I had started the breathing exercises.These gave the extra push my body needed at thre time.I'll get some links and info up here for you on this.Misdiagnosis happens often,though and this problem might be coincidental to the other situation,but I thinkthe two may well be connected,even if it is in a psychosomatic way.

Your friend,how close are you? Close enough for him to want you to stay with him,even if you want some space,close enough for him to keep you by him,magickally?

I am wondering if perhaps there may be an issue he is 'punishing you ' for or maybe some offence betwee nyou,or it could be that you are being used by him to feed whatever he is doing,there could be various reasons for you being caught in this and the manifestations you are percieving might also be around you independantly of the ongoing situation...

Can you talk with your friend about what you saw?

If not,would you mind saying a bit more about why not?

[Cleft]

@Cleft: the OP stated a belief in Magic,but I don't see where Nfts42 has mentioned a belief in Demons.
I also find myself in disagreement with your statement of desperate unbelievers turning to God,the no atheists in foxholes argument is a false one,by the way,just saying.Some might turn to faith in desperation but many do not.

My apolagies for the first point, at this time I was using the term loosely in order to demonstrate Ntfs42's acknowledgement of a malevolent force. I gathered from what you said that you harboured no violent views towards your friend and from what you have written it seemed like you suspected that the events you described were the work of something quite foul. Also Nahemah, when I pointed out Ntfs42's rejection of God, it was specificaly towards the magnitude of his denial. I am aware that turning to God out of desperation is not how everyone necessarily reacts, I for one wouldn't react in that way.

I just recieved the impression that rather than mere sceptisism towards God there was something else, I am unable to identify what exactly this might be though...

A lot of the conflict seems to have been caused through the clumsiness of what I had typed. To be honest this is because prior to responding I recieved a sudden sensation of panic. I even pondered not replying in case doing so would be dangerous for me. I realise that to most of you this seems severely irrational but something about this is very bad. In the end I only really replied because, perhaps wrongly, I feared that confronting whatever the thing is was at this time very risky. I think it would be a good idea to find out anything you can about what is going on before you confront it.

Anyway, I hope this cleared everything up. Also I noticed you neglected to answer my question from before. I would apreciate it if you could answer, if theres some reason why you shouldnt then it doesn't matter and it is possible that I'm barking up the wrong tree...

[reptilian]

Ultimately, any solution to this problem on the actual "magical" level, aside from your personal health, is going to greatly depend on how much you believe it will work. If you feel more comfortable laughing and ridiculing the entity in question, that is exactly what you should do. It's what I would do (unless I found myself living Paranormal Activity XD).
However, if that is not your style, there is no reason why you can't use a strong banishing ritual, even the one linked to above, without mentioning/evoking/invoking any deity. I adapt and warp established rituals for my personal needs and beliefs all the time and it can be very effective if you have strong enough will, focus and belief/suspension of disbelief.

[Nahemah]

Also Nahemah, when I pointed out Ntfs42's rejection of God, it was specificaly towards the magnitude of his denial.I am aware that turning to God out of desperation is not how everyone necessarily reacts, I for one wouldn't react in that way.

I just recieved the impression that rather than mere sceptisism towards God there was something else, I am unable to identify what exactly this might be though...

No conflict from me was intended and I was being a little bit Captain Obvious with my statement,sorry.

I think the situation is complex and I also think that the OP has issues relating to the friend,that perhaps we could work from if we had some more info.

I understand your sensation of panic too,Cleft,I get that sometimes too,when reading from others writings,it can be intense and seem a bit odd,but it's just your sensitivity showing.

[Madavascus]

i'm sorry but there is no way i am going to announce a Deity...

There has to be something else...

As you wish.

There is in fact something else, and it is extra-ordinarily powerful: Laughter. [clown]

When you feel you are in the presence of ethereal hostility, utilize your will and imagine (force) this hostility take a concrete form, one that may at first glance frighten you. Then, exert the courage to utterly ridicule this form to a point it makes you laugh. Feel it disappear and waste away as you laugh.

In fact, if you'll permit me taking such a quaint example, the process is much like fighting against a boggart in the Harry Potter mythos... Case and point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hxF65X029c (please ignore the annoying pony music).

Perhaps some chaos magic will better suite you. Best of luck. [grin]

I am sorry to so dramatically disagree but this seems most dangerous. There is something quite terrible about this instance, I think before you try to do anything it is important to work out what is going on.

One thing that interested me earlier was that you completely rejected the idea of paying homage to any deity. Even a person entirely secular in a situation like this would normaly turn to God from desperation. This would seem to imply that you either feel some kind of guilt or that you fear angering the spirit or demon that is harassing you. I find it difficult to belive that someone who claims to be so independent from the occult would reject God while accepting demons.


-I'm sorry for asking this out of the blue, but is there anyone who your scary friend has a grudge against who is somehow related to you, either though friendship, family or some other bond or even a third party?

Not to worry, Cleft. You do well to disagree. I was being sarcastic. Harry Potter is hardly a good source for advice in the occult.

If the beleaguered gentleman wishes to fight sinister influences without the aid of the Divine (regardless of its manifestation), he is by all means, welcomed to do so.

[Nahemah]

On Pranayama:

http://www.yogapoint.com/info/pranayama.htm

http://www.yogapoint.com/info/pranayama.htm

Hatha yoga teaches basic pranayama and there a lots of vids on youtube too.For advanced techniques it's best to find a teacher.Singing exercises are also good for improving respiratory function/oxygen flow.

[Ntfs42]

Update

I finally moved out 2 days ago, i am living alone now, Still the events are happening, pain is still occurring. Not sure what to do from here...

i cut off all contact, no cell phone, no way this guy can get in contact with me....

now finally i can provide some information, This guy told me he killed 2 birds inside a bathroom and washed the walls with the blood of it, over 2 decades ago, to marry a female, he said it was something he read in a book...no further details were provided....I flipped a sh** once i heard it, but i calmly said "uh okay" and pretended i heard nothing out of the ordinary.

[Nahemah]

Yeeeees,your 'friend' seems more than a tad unstable.

I think it best you got away from direct contact.
You should protect your space and focus on getting some strength back now.

Warding is something that can be effective and there are protective baths which might help also,these are very traditional ways to protect yourself against negative attention.
I''ll return with some more info on these later today.

Salt therapy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_therapy

This is another thing that helps a lot with respiratory problems and Salt has been utilised magickally since time immemorial for warding and protecting also.Here is Scotland we have a multitude of Arcane uses for salt that are culturally embedded.

http://www.luckymojo.com/salt,html



I'll get you some more info on this too.

Well done for breaking away,it can be very tough to get out from a baleful influence,but you will get better and things will improve,keep reinforcing this thought too,the mind is a great tool if you listen to it and allow yourself to bvelieve so.

[Cleft]

now finally i can provide some information, This guy told me he killed 2 birds inside a bathroom and washed the walls with the blood of it, over 2 decades ago, to marry a female, he said it was something he read in a book...no further details were provided....I flipped a sh** once i heard it, but i calmly said "uh okay" and pretended i heard nothing out of the ordinary.

I admit that I am completely unfamiliar with this ritual, however in terms of symbolism I can understand it. Of course one of the primary properties accosiated with birds is freedom. The ritual specifies two of these. Marriage of course is the act of binding two individuals together, the act could be compared to losing ones individual freedom. Take away a birds life and it can no longer fly. Killing them completely removes their freedom. Walls can be taken to symbolise confinement. Painting the walls in their blood is the final stage of their marriage in which the couple are trapped with one another and no longer able to part.

Obviously the whole ceremony is entirely morbid. It is probably safe to say that your friend read about it in an old grimoire. I doubt it is particularily modern as of course in the modern day marriage is not considered to bind very tightly. With your friend's modern understanding of marriage and it's flippant nature it is possible that this already vile ritual has degenerated into simple pandemonium, the blood has lost it's target and is violently lashing around with all the initial malice but with none of the initial purpose.

It seems your friend harboured no personal grudge against you and my previous hunch was wrong... However in this instance I think it would be wise to discuss with your friend further details rather than isolate him. From what I can tell he never recieved the effect he wished for and even after going through such a terrible ceremony to him nothing had changed. What feels to me like something which is partialy a product of his own confusion, may be calmed if you can get him to go over the events in detail while remaining fully composed. I personaly do not think that conventional warding would be effective against this. He has already told you this much, and probably because he wanted to.

Learning more about this event and discovering the root of the disorder, I believe, would be the most effective action for the time being.