I am seen as evil in the eyes of God - Help

arc288 · Post by **arc288** » Sun May 22, 2011 12:06 pm

Something has gone wrong with my energy situation.

All that was once good now seems bad. When I attempt to remove evil, it just reinforces it.

Like my Pentagram has been inverted.

Can anyone help make me GOOD again? I need a legit ritual or something.

This is URGENT!!! Please help!!!

Julio_Cesar · Post by **Julio_Cesar** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:36 am

What exactly is it that is going wrong in your life? You should elaborate a bit more so people can understand what exactly it is that is going wrong in your life.

Julio_Cesar · Post by **Julio_Cesar** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:36 am

What exactly is it that is going wrong in your life? You should elaborate a bit more so people can understand what exactly it is that is going wrong in your life.

Are there like Christians and stuff like that persecuting you for your beliefs?

For some reason the message double posted, I'm not sure why.

Rinks · Post by **Rinks** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:25 am

Well if you believe you are being seen as evil then best bet on rectifying it without me knowing any other details would be with an Evocation of Metatron or Derdekea. If you believe it's just a matter of healing you could also try Raphael or his whole house of Tiferet and meditate on it. You could also meditate on a piece of citrine, do a smudging, internal chi and chakra work, or a cleansing potion using edible things sun aligned such as lemons and oranges and such. There are also a few sigils/seals that can be used against negativity and such but I honestly don't know the names off of the top of my head but I hope this helps some.

OmKaliMa · Post by **OmKaliMa** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:57 pm

Stop think of yourself as Evil and you won't be anymore. It's you who's the one painting the self-portrait.

frozen0k · Post by **frozen0k** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:52 am

OmKaliMa wrote: Stop think of yourself as Evil and you won't be anymore. It's you who's the one painting the self-portrait.

if that would be so easy, everyone would be happy now

Post by **dodaive** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:30 pm

I would look more closely at the ephemeral world and distinguish between what part of it is you and what part of it is to be observed and responded to.

frozen0k · Post by **frozen0k** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:03 am

dodaive wrote:I would look more closely at the ephemeral world and distinguish between what part of it is you and what part of it is to be observed and responded to.

People are in the first place emotional beings, then comes the rational part. And since emotions are the mos addictive "drugs", then you will rarely see someone combining both emotions and ration to bring out the best outcome.
Once the emotion pattern has been developed, then it will be played again and again and again when there are received impulses resembling the initial ones that created the pattern.
The brain associated the emotion with one or more external triggers and when one trigger is present, the mechanisms of the subconscious mind bring to the conscious mind the emotions experienced in the first place.
But since they are covered by different thoughts and since most people lost the ability to feel the emotional discharge inside the body, then only the mental activity is perceived as anger, fear, pleasure etc.
So better teach one how to focus more on the feeling of the emotions and thus he will be able to distinct the ephemeral thoughts from his being.
The thinking mind is only a small part of a human being, yet consciously it is perceived as the most important part since it didn't experienced other states.

Post by **dodaive** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:28 pm

[Quote] So better teach one how to focus more on the feeling of the emotions and thus he will be able to distinct the ephemeral thoughts from his being. [Quote]

OK yeah this is a methodology difference, the method I was using was to start with an a priori definition what is the construct of a person. This is an ideal version of the self. So using this a priori definition. All emotions can exist, they are not controlled, but rather delineated which one's are me and which one's aren't. An example I meet a person in a bad mood giving out powerful negative vibes. I am going to feel some bad emotions, but in reality does any of this really belong to me, I don't think so. It shouldn't matter what negative emotions I am feeling, cause feeling them is not the same as them being a part of who am. I see Reasoning and emotions being energies that directly counter each other. Which one you use should be situational based. I have never been very good at mixing the to two together. so i am learning a lot from this forum.
I am still pondering over what you wrote , so I don't have any feedback for you on it yet.

frozen0k · Post by **frozen0k** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:58 am

Mmm, it depends. I will start with reasoning. What is the reason that drives people to do whatever they do? That "something" beyond all the thoughts that the mind brings to surface as "motives" for ?
Is it a thought? A desire? A feeling? Give it some reflection upon this and then continue to read.

What makes you say that you're happy (even for a few moments) ? Is a thought or is it the feeling that you experience in all your being?

Coming back to you statement, if after reasoning the fact that the emotion is not part of you, then you do actually feel better, then this worked for you, and whatever works for you is just fine.
We're different and thus what works for some may not work for others, but still, the reasoning must be objective and based on the current facts. If the emotions create thoughts that interfere your reasoning, then is no longer objective thinking.
You have to be very honest with yourself to realize if it's the emotion talking or is actually your reasoning.
But if after reasoning you still have that feeling or if your thoughts are designed to attack or to be defensive (in other words, if you continuing to think about that person and having an inner dialog), then the feeling is not cleared, it is merely disguised by the thoughts.
As much as i experienced so far, many people can't feel the emotions in their bodies (as vibes), they're just numb and feel only the external impulses perceived by their sense of touch, to thinking is their main activity.
As well, from personal experience, i noticed that whenever there's an apparent conflict between thinking and feeling, the feeling represent the reality of your state of mind, while the thoughts are lying.

For closing statement: One can theorize as much as he wants about a subject, but until he experiences that, it will only be assumptions which he thinks, based on his knowledge and previous experience.
So reasoning is good into preparing the mind for an experience, but the actual experience can not be reasoned. Therefor, that's why i chose a blending of reasoning with feeling, but inclined toward feeling the experiences.
Moment to moment feeling of your inner vibes will anchor you in the present moment and thus you can have a wider and more objective view upon each moment situation, your view will no longer be derived from a past pattern which the emotion bring to the surface of your mind and inside your body.

Post by **dodaive** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:39 pm

This is a great discussion I am enjoying it and learning a lot.

This is as I see it my be the crux of this discussion:
My basic premise is that it is necessary to remain calm and detached, if one is going to determine what is real. Very few people would quickly take serious actions in the Material World (The one that is based on the Periodic Table of Elements), on the basis of what is experienced in a dream. I am not saying that being consumed by one's emotion is bad, but rather that during the time that one is experiencing emotion in a consumed state, that the world as it is experienced isn't real. Maybe you can say it is real in the Ephemeral World, but but my perceptive abilities are not at that level yet. so In my case, the only thing I can do is accept it like an acid trip where nothing is real.

frozen0k · Post by **frozen0k** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:26 am

Yea, one might experience suffering for the rest of his life and keep saying is not real ... that won't make the suffering disappear.
It only gets real when it manifest in your life. If for all your senses say it's real, then that's your reality.
If on the other hand you develop a greater awareness and you perceive the emotions as energy flowing into your being, then you'll realize that suffering is just an illusion, and so is fear, just a mental phantom.
It is only when you see the illusion as illusion that free you, just denying will keep you stuck in illusion.

JonBrim · Post by **JonBrim** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:42 am

What is it that you think is evil. According to several religions all of us magicians, witches, shamans, magus's, are evil. but really there is no such thing as evil. sure there is morality. But evil does not exist in the form that your thinking it does. You are only you. Even through magick the only thing you can truly change is you. If you really think your evil, then well maybe your suppose to be.

Mr. Alejos · Post by **Mr. Alejos** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:15 am

arc288 wrote:Something has gone wrong with my energy situation.

All that was once good now seems bad. When I attempt to remove evil, it just reinforces it.

Like my Pentagram has been inverted.

Can anyone help make me GOOD again? I need a legit ritual or something.

This is URGENT!!! Please help!!!

What is good and what is bad? Is an inverted symbol bad? Would not a symbol right side up be upside down on the other end of the world? All direction is about perception, remember that.

From the sound of your post I suggest, and I hope you wont get offended by this, that you seek out psychological help. I think it would be unethical for anyone to give you a "feel good" ritual curio when the roots of your predicament are obviously something internal. Good luck and good health.
[wink]

Cleft · Post by **Cleft** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:49 pm

frozen0k wrote:
OmKaliMa wrote: Stop think of yourself as Evil and you won't be anymore. It's you who's the one painting the self-portrait.
if that would be so easy, everyone would be happy now

It is that easy. Good and Evil are loose terms. To be an optimist all you need to do is claim to be an optimist- you're being optimistic. Although a little different, if you try to do good then it makes you a good person... if you REALLY try. But trying isn't easy. If doing the right thing is too much effort and you feel that relying on the occult is easier than it would be to stir yourself and do good then obviously all you are goind to achieve will be at best lucid escapism.

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