Occult Orientation and Beginners Practical Guide

[Solerus Silver]

This thread is open for anyone who is going through strange almost magical experiences of late. Due to the current state of affairs relating to this generation and the times we are going through, this is to be expected.

If you are having Lucid Dreaming a lot or Sleep Paralysis. If you are seeing extra lines around in your vision or things that whizz and flash. If you are experiencing snatching of intuition when you try to read something or are hearing voices when you read a book or a forum thread or something else.

This is the thread to ask all the questions you may need.

Thank you.

[jimmyjames]

I have been seeing horizontal lines through my vision and some movement and flashes out of the corner of my eye lately. I really didn't know it had any meaning. I have been practicing the LBRP for about 3 months and MPR for almost 2 months but the lines and stuff just started over the last month. Whats your take on that??

[sasquatchjc]

I havn't really been practicing anything seeing as my dad is always home i cant even meditate , and lately i've been getting lucid dreams more often and i often see things moving in the corner of my eye, but when i look nothing is there. What does this mean? am i

[reptilian]

I've been lucid dreaming for most of, if not my entire, life.


If I ever hear voices again, I'm giving up all occult practices for good.

[yyxx]

I've been feeling a wave of something. Its been manifesting in various ways. Images flashing to my mind of a thing and then it comes to pass. In an instant I am beginning to see a person's state of mind simply through their face. Its quite agonising and it appears that almost everyone is miserable, even if they have a jolly smile plastered on their litso. Spending 8 or so hours a day in a synthetic box tends to do that to people.
A friend of mine also freaked out recently. He peeked a little to deep I think and went mildly nuts for a bit. Think he's still recovering from the trans-human perceptions.
I'm seeing normal people who aren't aware of the bizarre currents acting in odd ways. As if they feel the tendrils of change wrapping around their consciousness, but choose to react in adverse ways.

I've been thinking about the physical/mental changes that go on when reaching higher levels of perception and I believe that by changing your consciousness you are embracing a controlled form of madness. Or something like that. Its easy to slip over the edge when you look into the abyss.

[sasquatchjc]

upsetting that there is still no reply from solerus :/ i was looking forward to learning a few things (as well as finding out why im seeing things through my peripheral vision, even if nothing is there :p)

[Nahemah]

We live in interesting times,then again,I 've lived in interesting times all of my 45 years so far,as did my parents before me and my grandparents before them and so on going back rather far in a very long antecedent line,lol.

In the words of the immortal Mr.Douglas Adams: DON'T PANIC.

The World is changing,but it's always been so.This is an ongoing process called Evolution,Society is evolving and Paradigms are shifting Worldwide.This is to be expected,as the one constant in the sea of change that is Humanity,is change itself.
Solerus is an interesting person and I'm sure he has some points of worth to make here in this thread,but the World will not end in his absence and I 'm sure he will return soon [grin]

I 'll post some information on Peripheral vision for you later today,Sasquatchj.We are gifted with Binocular vision and see things in the corners as our eyes are designed that way,to give us an evolutionary edge.

9 times out of 10 we jump at shadows which can be explained by critical thinking and a little bit of common sense/understanding of how the mind and body interact.

[akimbomoss]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHTrT17fkUYEverybody listen to Nahemah. [yay]

I am going to reveal 2 edicts now:

IT=The Energy to go on in moderation = Contelligence = the way to defeat FEAR
Second Ring of Power (redefined) = Lust is power in Moderation = the way to defeat POWER

If you guys and girls can figure out what this means some of the pain will go away. Possibly even all the pain. The objective is to ACCEPT THE PAIN. Tell yourself whatever pain you have right now you simply accept it and NAME what it is exactly. Forgive all of your enemies in life. GO over every enemy you ever had and forgive them accepting the pain one by one.

[sasquatchjc]

well Nahemah i know what peripheral vision is and why we have it xD, although it seems like the people who either practice magick/meditation, work with energy, etc. have better perhipheral vision than the common folk. I just keep seeing little dots moving for a split second and when i look they are gone (they remind me of spiders, and im arachnophobic x.x)

[Solerus Silver]

I have been seeing horizontal lines through my vision and some movement and flashes out of the corner of my eye lately. I really didn't know it had any meaning. I have been practicing the LBRP for about 3 months and MPR for almost 2 months but the lines and stuff just started over the last month. Whats your take on that??

Well, it means that you are starting to develop your astral sight. Do not be startled when you see those lines and try to move your mind slowly to them, you may also notice vapors and like mist in your vision especially if you look in an area illuminated by an indirect light.

[Solerus Silver]

I havn't really been practicing anything seeing as my dad is always home i cant even meditate , and lately i've been getting lucid dreams more often and i often see things moving in the corner of my eye, but when i look nothing is there. What does this mean? am i

Same like my previous answer.

[Solerus Silver]

I've been feeling a wave of something. Its been manifesting in various ways. Images flashing to my mind of a thing and then it comes to pass. In an instant I am beginning to see a person's state of mind simply through their face. Its quite agonising and it appears that almost everyone is miserable, even if they have a jolly smile plastered on their litso. Spending 8 or so hours a day in a synthetic box tends to do that to people.
A friend of mine also freaked out recently. He peeked a little to deep I think and went mildly nuts for a bit. Think he's still recovering from the trans-human perceptions.
I'm seeing normal people who aren't aware of the bizarre currents acting in odd ways. As if they feel the tendrils of change wrapping around their consciousness, but choose to react in adverse ways.

I've been thinking about the physical/mental changes that go on when reaching higher levels of perception and I believe that by changing your consciousness you are embracing a controlled form of madness. Or something like that. Its easy to slip over the edge when you look into the abyss.

No it is controlled translation of visual input done deliberately. Stop messing with your own mind. It also is because of these mind altering photos you are attracted to. Like your avatar, ever notice that your avatar makes your eyes feel like they are pressed upon. Please change this image it hurts whoever looks at it.

[Solerus Silver]

I've been lucid dreaming for most of, if not my entire, life.


If I ever hear voices again, I'm giving up all occult practices for good.

Try to control it, but if you want I can bind your powers permanently and you will never dream or astrally project.

[Stukov]

Things should be slightly easier for you guys, based on the changes being made. However I would like for you guys to verify.

[Nahemah]

It might just be me,but this is a very odd thread,so far.

Please change this image it hurts whoever looks at it.

Going to have to disagree with you there,Solerus,it dosen't bother me at all,in fact,I rather like yyxx's avatar. [grin]

I've been lucid dreaming for most of, if not my entire, life.


If I ever hear voices again, I'm giving up all occult practices for good.

If you hear the voices in the hypnagogic state,it's quite normal and not that unusual.Audio hallucinations are part and parcel of the mechanism.

I can post some further info for you reptilian,if you'd like?

Try to control it, but if you want I can bind your powers permanently and you will never dream or astrally project

Hmm..I doubt you can pull that off,Solerus,but assuming you could,it's inadvisable,we need to dream,the REM state is a necessary part of the Cicadian cycle,so to speak.It is dangerous to suppress it,even those folk who are medically supressed,under advisement from doctors, suffer from sometimes serious side effects.

Critical thinking folks,I highly recommend it,we are Occultists,but we do not need to abandon all reason because of it.

[Stukov]

Critical thinking folks,I highly recommend it,we are Occultists,but we do not need to abandon all reason because of it.

This times infinity to the power of infinity.

Btw you never responded to my last PM.

[Nahemah]

Arg,sorry,forgot.Have responded now. [blush]

[Solerus Silver]

Going to have to disagree with you there,Solerus,it dosen't bother me at all,in fact,I rather like yyxx's avatar.

Such images are all over the internet and in some of the more prevalent books and occult art sites. It is easy to charge the pictures.

If you hear the voices in the hypnagogic state,it's quite normal and not that unusual.Audio hallucinations are part and parcel of the mechanism.

I can post some further info for you reptilian,if you'd like?

Hmm, check him on the astral then and lets see what you come up with. It is not hallucination, it is merely unmatched development in the clairvoyance and clairaudience facilities.

I would love any telepathic input you can provide me with as well.

Hmm..I doubt you can pull that off,Solerus,but assuming you could,it's inadvisable,we need to dream,the REM state is a necessary part of the Cicadian cycle,so to speak.It is dangerous to suppress it,even those folk who are medically supressed,under advisement from doctors, suffer from sometimes serious side effects.

Oh well, despite it being my area of specialty, I was only saying that for its motivational value.

[Nahemah]

Such images are all over the internet and in some of the more prevalent books and occult art sites. It is easy to charge the pictures.

Hmm,that's a bit of a non sequitur there,isn't it,correlation does not equal causation.

I see no harm in yyxx's avatar at all,it's a glyph of the Zodiac signs as viewed from Earth.The cross represents the cross quarters: the Cardinal points,where the Seasons are traditionally marked and the first points of Aries,Cancer,Libra and Capricron cross the Ecliptic.

The bandsof the cross are wide and aslo touch upon the next set,the Mutable signs,the white spaces,though overlapping also, deal mostly with the fixed signs.Simple,when you look at it,beyond the first reference level.I could layer it further also,but that would make a longer post and I get tired of hammering the keys so much,lol.

This cross and the spaces can also be viewed as representing the qualities,Air,Fire,Earth and Water.In all I view it as a visual mnemonic glyph,it communicates,but it is not saying anything noxious or of 'evil intent'.It's Astrology,there is nothing intrinsically evil about it.Relax.

I 'd like to read your interpretation,however.For clarity.YMMV.

Imagery is intended to be evocative,it's how our minds work.We look for patterns and we seek connections.However,some imagery is not well executed and fails to deliver an impact,while other imagery can convey a message that needs no common language other than visual impact,our minds complete the picture,so to speak.
It's also equally easy to not be affected by 'charged' images on a screen,just saying.My home and person are protected from any such insidiousness by the power of critical thinking and the ability to interpret incoming information using my own will and mind and not that of another. [thumbup]

Hmm, check him on the astral then and lets see what you come up with. It is not hallucination, it is merely unmatched development in the clairvoyance and clairaudience facilities.

I 'd rather wait for reptilian to give me further information/details,if he so chooses himself.Sleep Paralysis and Hypnagogic trance are often precursors to projection and lucidity,however the audial hallucinations,for that IS what they are,are merely distractions of the mind,as it struggles to make logical sense out of the experiences/floods of non linear sequential information it is recieving at that time.

I have no desire to go chasing after anyone in either their personal or interactive Astral Space,without prior consent to do so from them,in person.

I would love any telepathic input you can provide me with as well.

That would be a no.Perhaps I am not Telepathic,or perhaps I simply don't wish to humour you in this way.Take it how you like,but no.

[Solerus Silver]

Imagery is intended to be evocative,it's how our minds work.We look for patterns and we seek connections.However,some imagery is not well executed and fails to deliver an impact,while other imagery can convey a message that needs no common language other than visual impact,our minds complete the picture,so to speak.
It's also equally easy to not be affected by 'charged' images on a screen,just saying.My home and person are protected from any such insidiousness by the power of critical thinking and the ability to interpret incoming information using my own will and mind and not that of another.

Yes, yes, and of course assuming that you cannot just use pentagrams for the desired effect.

For example, I can use three fire pentagrams, two water pentagrams, four reversed air pentagrams and four reversed earth pentagrams to imbue an image with enough elemental energies to stop the involuntary actions of the astral body.

For those who want to know the attributes of the reversed pentagram (negative elemental energy) you take the right and left side and switch them then you flip it upside down. the spirit passes are reversed, the positive spirit passes are between the negative elements and the negative passes are between the positive elements, closing and opening passes are the same.

May be I will make a thread detailing the use of the negative pentagram. (for self-defense purposes of course)

It is not all critical thinking and positive feelings.

Just for the sake of discussion, what discipline do you follow? I would really like to know.

I 'd rather wait for reptilian to give me further information/details,if he so chooses himself.Sleep Paralysis and Hypnagogic trance are often precursors to projection and lucidity,however the audial hallucinations,for that IS what they are,are merely distractions of the mind,as it struggles to make logical sense out of the experiences/floods of non linear sequential information it is recieving at that time.

I have no desire to go chasing after anyone in either their personal or interactive Astral Space,without prior consent to do so from them,in person.

Oh I just use Akasha and the astral impression left from his posting to see what is the problem. I did not even project.

That would be a no.Perhaps I am not Telepathic,or perhaps I simply don't wish to humour you in this way.Take it how you like,but no.

Oh okay, would have been nice to make telepathic contact with another practitioner.

[Nahemah]

It is not all critical thinking and positive feelings.

I don't believe I mentioned positive feelings,at all,lol. [question2]

You are extrapolating a bit there,there is no need to put words in my mouth,I can speak for myself just fine,thanks. [geek2]

Rather,I implied neutrality,if I implied anything.I generally tend to say what I mean,wisiwig style.

Yes, yes, and of course assuming that you cannot just use pentagrams for the desired effect.

Lulwot? Where did this come from? Nobody mentioned Pentagrams in this thread,neither you or any other poster,until this gem appeared.Distraction attempt much? Hmm.

On me,below,as you asked,though this information is on my public profile and if you had looked you would have seen it there.

Note to other members: we have various forum features,please do not feel it is either necessary or desirable for you to use Magick to check out what can be easily ascertained by a quick search or polite question.


I work Shamanically,for want of a more fitting term and my home ground is Spae and Seid,Northern European Witchcraft,if you will.

I indulge in other forms too though,when the whim takes me.Labels can be restrictive,don't you think?

I don't read astral impressions from forum posts,if I have a question or doubts,I use the pm system.I recommend you do the same in future.

I view our forum as a safe place for all to come and share,no matter background or paradigmal tastes.Some folk are wary and I wouldn't want them to feel they cannot post as they will be 'checked out' psychically when they do so.

Do you understand this reservation?

I am asking you to stop attempting to flex your magickal muscles on other members,this is a discussion forum, not your personal magickal playground.

Please tread warily here Solerus, it's my job to look after all the members and assure they are comfortable here,this is not formal yet,but it may get there if you insist on it.

By the way,if you want to check me out in this way,do feel free.You have my consent,if not my belief in your abilities.I am curious as to your impressions of me.Whatever they are,I doubt they will bother me any,but you have now piqued my interest.

[Nahemah]

@sasquastchjc:

http://www.yogamag.net/archives/1991/cm ... atak.shtml

http://yogateacher.com/text/meditation/ ... isual.html

You might find this useful?

[Solerus Silver]

Lulwot? Where did this come from? Nobody mentioned Pentagrams in this thread,neither you or any other poster,until this gem appeared.Distraction attempt much? Hmm.

No, I was stating a fact and alerting you to the possibility that as much as it is true that our mind interprets images in its own way, sometimes a practitioner can charge an image with an elemental energy designed to produce a certain effect. Much the same way a talisman works or a charged elemental weapon.

Note to other members: we have various forum features,please do not feel it is either necessary or desirable for you to use Magick to check out what can be easily ascertained by a quick search or polite question.

I never mentioned that I would try in any form to actually spy on people. Those who posted here in this thread did actually have a specific sensation to their posts. It is known and in my country we usually take practicing magic between a master and an apprentice so I have experience in sensing the vibrations of a person who does indeed have malfunctions in their aura.

Which is the reason I started this thread.

I work Shamanically,for want of a more fitting term and my home ground is Spae and Seid,Northern European Witchcraft,if you will.

I indulge in other forms too though,when the whim takes me.Labels can be restrictive,don't you think?

Hmm interesting. For my own part I deal with Qabalah and Ceremonial Magic. Yes sometimes labels can be restrictive. I did not ask about your practice to insult you.

I don't read astral impressions from forum posts,if I have a question or doubts,I use the pm system.I recommend you do the same in future.

I view our forum as a safe place for all to come and share,no matter background or paradigmal tastes.Some folk are wary and I wouldn't want them to feel they cannot post as they will be 'checked out' psychically when they do so.

Oh, please stop jumping onto every opportunity to make it look like I am draining people or possessing them. In fact there is so much that one can see through something another person have invested little energy into. Like the posts of those in the thread.

Are you actually holding trial?

Do you understand this reservation?

I am asking you to stop attempting to flex your magickal muscles on other members,this is a discussion forum, not your personal magickal playground.

I understand that it is a reservation we all make in our lives and as I explained before, there is only so much you can garner from such little things as posts or letters and so on. And only from people with an unbalanced aura. It is virtually impossible for a practitioner to start spying on another by base of a letter without the other knowing. Even if the victim is not trained.

You are too pessimistic.

Second, I am not flexing my magical muscles on anyone. If you find any indication to the contrary please alert me and I shall explain as best as I can.

I would rather have it that you stop flexing your Moderator muscles.

The purpose of this thread is for beginners or people who are not much into the occult and suffer imbalance to at least gain an idea of the reason of their problems. And it shall remain so.

If you really need to take this up in a more vigorous fashion, you are welcome to do so. But it is no use to try slinging big words at me and equally big, false accusations.

Please tread warily here Solerus, it's my job to look after all the members and assure they are comfortable here,this is not formal yet,but it may get there if you insist on it.

Yes of course I understand, still you may as well start being fair and see if there actually was any harm or whether I spied on anyone first. I am sure you are quite capable of doing so. Until then it is extremely unfair to label me as an evil person without any actual proof.

By the way,if you want to check me out in this way,do feel free.You have my consent,if not my belief in your abilities.I am curious as to your impressions of me.Whatever they are,I doubt they will bother me any,but you have now piqued my interest.

I did not even hint that I would actually try to pry any information about you in any of the aforementioned ways in this thread. Why are you so defensive?

I suggest you calm down first before judging people. Also please stop Lol'ing me.

[reptilian]

Since people have been talking about me in my absence... XD

The "voices" I was referring to are those caused by legitimate mental illness. If I ever hallucinate again, I'm not "working magic", I'm just nuts. Therefore, I will take that as a serious and immediate indicator that I should not be practicing the occult. I would advise others to take that into consideration as well.

I've never experienced sleep paralysis in my life, nor have I ever seriously attempted to astrally project.
In fact, in my research of dream magic, I'm beginning to suspect that "astral projection" has nothing to do with leaving the body and that it is very nearly akin to lucid dreaming.
As for controlling my dreams, I've never heard of anyone who can control dreams better than I can (although I haven't read Castaneda yet so I'm confident I'll be beaten) and I'm now capable of creating extremely detailed, highly realistic "planes of existence" within dreams.

And I'm extremely dubious of anyone being able to "check up on me".
Also, if you could, you'd know I'm female. XD

Thanks for having my back though, Nahemah. =3

[Nahemah]

Yah..

I connected these two sentences:

I've been lucid dreaming for most of, if not my entire, life.


If I ever hear voices again, I'm giving up all occult practices for good.

Hence my response being about hearing voices in lucid dreams and hypnogogic states etc.....Sorry.

Also, if you could, you'd know I'm female. XD

Urk.Sorry again. [blush]