Link between Humans?

[Occultess]

I was thinking about Mob Mentality the other day. I started to wonder if it might be due to a link between Human Beings that gets created, perhaps, in large groups. Ofcourse it's also possible that in those situations there is just a whole lot of people thinking the same thing at the same time. Although, I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that the generally accepted idea is more of a sheep mentality.

In any event, I started wondering about this "link" idea. For instance, guy 1. starts thinking about his laundry, and some people in his immediate vicinity start thinking, "Gee, I really need to get some laundry done this weekend" or "Laundry? Yeah, I did that yesterday. Cool! Now I can relax!". This idea maybe dies out now. Guy 2. starts thinking "Maybe I should rush the stage!" and the people in his immediate vacinity start thinking "Huh,...maybe I should rush the stage." or "I wonder what it would be like to rush the stage?". This idea, (that of guy 2.) is, however, also being thought by guy 3., 4., 5., and 6. So, that's 5 people thinking (seriously) about rushing the stage, all with a group of people surrounding them that get this "linked" thought. If this initial group of 5 is around enough people who think that rushing the stage would be cool enough to actually do, and those people are around enough, too and this thought goes out to enough interested parties before it dies out (kind of like electricity going through an electrical circuit), then you might have a full fledged Stage Rushing on your hands.

So, do you think maybe Humans are linked together? And, do you think this linking could be interspeciel or do you think it's exclusively from Human to Human?

[dodaive]

I do think that it would seem that way based on quite a few different studies, but what I am thinking is maybe we aren't linked, maybe there are unseen forces influencing us to the extent that it produces groups of people to have similar mental and emotional patterns. I don't know the reasons for it, but yes I would definitely agree that itappears that we are all linked by something.

[Occultess]

Yeah, I never thought of the external influence angle. It's certainly plausible. Pehaps like Greek Fates....or well, maybe not Fates, but.....well, you know what I mean right?

[Stukov]

To my understanding of things, there is a shared human "mind field" or plane that we all are connected to. While some people may refer to this as the collective consciousness of humanity, it doesn't necessarily share the attributes most associate with it. Its more like if you imagine yourself floating in the air with an ocean above you, and you connected to that ocean via a string. You can connect with others by having a connection go up your string, into the ocean, and then finding the other person in the ocean and tying your string to theirs. Likewise you can also at times, consciously travel into the ocean and have full access to everyone's consciousness. This is what most spirits do, as they can "hear your thoughts" and know shit tons about you because they have access to this field. There are no secrets to the dead (unless their trapped or whatever). Anyways I've swam around in it from time to time (not always on purpose), I can tell you how totally fucked up it can be to be walking around walmart while doing it, and basically knowing *everyone* in there. On the bright side, unless you take notes or talk the information to yourself, the information passes once you are disconnected, there isn't a whole lot of methodology to commit that sort of stuff to memory just by being connected to it. Its sort of like finding a huge book with tons of info that while you have it open you have full knowledge of everything in the book, but if you close the book, that knowledge disappears as well, the only way you can remember the details is if you read the pages and you don't remember the book, but your own voice as you read it. I've been connected to some other sources of mine and the only way I could retain even a fraction of the information I had access to was to find a way to imagine myself telling to someone as a story, because after it was closed I could only remember a shade of the knowledge but I could remember the story much more easily.

[TheSeeker]

I believe that like the other animals on our big blue marble we are able to communicate with one another on a non-verbal level.
As an anthropologist, my suspiscion is that this is a holdover from our pre or proto-linguistic days, and that the ability has become obfuscated and supressed by combined processes of our evolutionary and cultural development over millenia. [geek2]

[Vashta]

I liked Stukov's analogy here, and I think I largely agree, I see it as more of a network, but I'm a computer geek I think each of us has their own analogy for it inside, but we're talking about the same thing. I'm throwing out pseudoscience here as I don't have a degree in theoretical physics or anything, but my understanding is that in a quantum universe, all things are connected. We're talking about the same thing I think.

I think, in terms of mob mentality, I would say that's a real effect. I think maybe it's like an aura of a sort.. When lots of people get together, it's like there's a collective aura containing the group, which makes them prone to think alike. But again, that's analogy

I've experienced cases where a group of about 4 or 5 people have had the same thought simultaneously and confirmed it together. That I think was due largely to a degree of familiarity with each other. We were very good friends for a long time, which may make you prone to develop similar thought processes, but we're talking 2 or 3 sentences word for word, or a picture we could all see in crystal clarity. Hasn't happened so much since then, there are moments, rarely, but I think close friends have some of the strongest bonds. If you're ever in a situation where you need to shout for help telepathically, aim for someone family, or as close as family

I've also experienced moments of what you could call reverse empathy, where a persons emotions blast out around them. Once, a really good friend (one of few people who knew I was, at the time, wiccan), had just received a phone call that made her angry. She was so angry, I could feel my own blood boiling, she kicked a door open and for a moment I thought it would explode, but the feeling was more intense the closer I stood to her. Also, I once worked in a bar where a man came in to do Reiki semi-regularly, he was working on a friend, and when I walked past, I felt my friend's pain as though it was my own, but it disappeared as soon as I was past. So, I do believe in the connectedness of everything, but more so when a relationship of some kind (friendship included) is involved, and that some degree of proximity may have a similar, if not the same effect.

I recall writing recently, maybe on a thread about spiders? something about Aka, written about in Urban Shaman by Serge Kahili King. Aka is a spider god kind of thing, the metaphor is that he walks the webs that connect all things. In the book, King writes about this model of viewing the universe. Everything is connected to everything else, like little spider webs, but connections can grow thicker into threads, strings, or even cables through reinforcement of the connection. I view it as networks and bandwidth, lol. There are at least a million ways to describe it. But I think groups of people who are geographically close experience some degree of this effect, some overlap of being.

And, as Stukov and many others have said, you can learn to walk those webs, to make threads thicker or thinner, and to use them in various ways. My own analogy lacks the ocean analogy though, that mass of collective, no secrets from the dead, I do like that, will have to think about my computer analogy a bit more TheSeeker's comment is also very insightful, and makes me think about animal telepathy, lots of people believe their dogs or cats are psychic. Don't know about ferrets.. I used to have three, but if they could hear my thoughts they weren't listening.. which wouldn't be entirely out of character

[Etar]

I think it is rather simple; it is a form of telepathy.

[Stukov]

Ugh I had a post yesterday and it got deleted while I was playing a game.

Anyways yeah, Im pretty sure Vashta and myself are on the same page, as once the connections are made between people, it most certainly works like a network. And these connections are made all the time, I had them with friend I've known from the internet for 12 years and even though I never met her, I could always tell her what she was feeling even if we wasn't talking, I would know right away something was wrong, who it was, and what it was. I could be at work, I could be at class, it didnt' matter, soon as I got home I could confirm everything.

Its also something most mothers will have with their children. They have a special bond/connection that gives them a sixth sense with what is going on. Twins, family, lovers, lots of people have strong connections to where it isn't just a thread or string connecting them, but massive pipe. You can also develop a connection hat doesn't go through the ocean/network, but a direct link between people. These bonds are the strongest and most easily to work with. Because of instead of using your internet to connect with your loved one (which all your network traffic goes out on and can be intercepted, lost, or just unsure who the sender/receiver is) you are connected like on a LAN (local area network). Its a faster dedicated line that you share.

In case of mobs (I guess that was your question) I think in terms of the ocean, you have tons of people pumping certain energies into the ocean, polluting it with like a smell or dye. As this dye spreads in the water it changes and spreads affecting each person in the area around it, causing some to release their own dye (thereby making the pollution stronger), until you have tons of people going off like a chain reaction spreading energy/feelings/etc through the collective consciousness of humanity (which is actually something I'm working on right now). Eventually the dye diffuses into the ocean diluting itself as it goes on.

You also have a network "ad-hoc' network where people are temporary connecting to those around them directly while being influenced by the pollution of the dye. The ad-hoc network changes the individual (if they don't have a strong will or are just susceptible to this sort of thing) so they are less like an individual and more like an organism and each person is a cell. This multicelluar organism then begins to take a new form and likely moves and behaves based on the collective unconscious of those part of the organism (though very susceptible to influence from someone outside the cell aware of what is happening and knowing out to manipulate).

[magari]

Found this thread searching the fates...

Interesting idea.

I've had very similar experiences, though I can't say for sure "what" it is or how it works.

However, I have witnessed many situations of mob mentality and in my experiences the common pattern is a consciousness's perspective so-to-speak.

Imagine every single consciousness making up a frequency of its own, its experience and relationship with reality places it somewhere along the scale of the frequency.

In my experience people who share similar perspectives or experiences tend to link easier and faster than others. This can be the opposite between male and female however as they attempt to balance themselves against each other.

The mob mentality seems to occur amongst groups with shared feelings and desires. Even when an individual is in the sea of the mob, if his desires and feelings don't align with the group then he will separate himself. I've even witnessed the mob intuitively key into this separation and attack an individual without provocation. To me it seems to be as natural as evolution or how particular species will consume the entirety of another species if it poses a threat. I'm imagining predators vs predators here.

Instead of the evolution of a species, we have the evolution of an idea/perspective/mode of reality.

It explains to me the reason opposing cultures within humanity often refuse to cooperate. I see two competing perspectives on reality/life threatened by the other.

Mob mentality can happen anywhere, but when groups gather based on their fundamental beliefs, single ideas seem to spread like wildfire


Anyways, my 2 cents.
Didn't mean to offend anyone by reviving an old thread.

[Nahemah]

Didn't mean to offend anyone by reviving an old thread.

It's fine,magari and we don't mind this at all,as older threads often have a lot of mileage left in them and new/additional perspectives are always welcomed. [thumbup]