Need a spell to break up a couple

[Lectus]

Hello!
I need the help of more experienced witches/magicians to do a spell to break up a couple.
First of all, I'm not trying to harm anyone. The woman in the relationship is a person who's close to me (can't tell who she is due to ethics) and the guy is very bad for her, very abusive, but she just doesn't leave him because of fear, low self-esteem, etc. I'm trying to help her break free.
I need a simple spell because I don't have money for lots of material, also I need to do this in secrecy (nobody would understand what it is and probably judge wrong).

Even if you don't give me the spell but put me on the right path to learn to create my own it's ok.

Any help is welcome.

Thanks

[Nahemah]

http://www.luckymojo.com/bottlespells.html

Vinegar bottle charm.

[BlackLotus1987]

Hi Nahemah!!

i haven't used these (i haven't razons for use them yet) but here are some Rituals:

http://www.magic-love-spells.com/breakupspells.html

[wazzup]

Hello!
I need the help of more experienced witches/magicians to do a spell to break up a couple.
First of all, I'm not trying to harm anyone. The woman in the relationship is a person who's close to me (can't tell who she is due to ethics) and the guy is very bad for her, very abusive, but she just doesn't leave him because of fear, low self-esteem, etc. I'm trying to help her break free.
I need a simple spell because I don't have money for lots of material, also I need to do this in secrecy (nobody would understand what it is and probably judge wrong).

Even if you don't give me the spell but put me on the right path to learn to create my own it's ok.

Any help is welcome.

Thanks

I may be alone here, but I dislike interfering with relationships. That being said, I would look at this problem from another angle. Rather than trying to break the couple up, why not empower the lady in question by raising her self-esteem and eradicating her fear? This may take a while, though.

You mention that the partner is abusive, but didn't state if that was verbal or physical. If verbal, I'd look at inhibiting this negative trait. If, however, it's physical, I'd point you toward the use of a sigil.

No matter how you acquire a spell, I've always found the ones I've created work the best. When I formulate any spell I ask these questions: why do I want____, how may this be gotten _____, where will this come from ______, what do I want to achieve _____, when do I want to achieve it ______. Asking these questions focuses my mind on the issue to be resolved, gives purpose and intent into the workings of the spell, and allows me to visualise the successful outcome. This method has never failed me. And the best part is, it cost nothing. Oh, I do like being frugal. lol.

[ΙΟΛΗ7]

wazzup you're not alone here.I totally agree with you.
Emotions are personal matters.I've met many couples like that, over the years, and believe me even when they had the best prospects to separate from each other, no one ever took the first step.You see sometimes,our hell is also our redemption.Indeed, if you don't see your bottom, you can not continue with your life.Above this,you should consider that by doing such ritual,it will affect your karma.Since it's hot her decision,why don't you respect her desire? When the time is right,she will know what to do,believe me.

[Etar]

I agree, too. Each man and woman is responsible for their own fates. We should help those who are willing to help themselves. In this case, the woman being abused can break up the relationship by her own will. It's up to her. Also, there are the karmic considerations that ΙΟΛΗ7 mentioned.

[Stukov]

Hello!
I need the help of more experienced witches/magicians to do a spell to break up a couple.
First of all, I'm not trying to harm anyone. The woman in the relationship is a person who's close to me (can't tell who she is due to ethics) and the guy is very bad for her, very abusive, but she just doesn't leave him because of fear, low self-esteem, etc. I'm trying to help her break free.
I need a simple spell because I don't have money for lots of material, also I need to do this in secrecy (nobody would understand what it is and probably judge wrong).

Even if you don't give me the spell but put me on the right path to learn to create my own it's ok.

Any help is welcome.

Thanks

I may be alone here, but I dislike interfering with relationships. That being said, I would look at this problem from another angle. Rather than trying to break the couple up, why not empower the lady in question by raising her self-esteem and eradicating her fear? This may take a while, though.

You mention that the partner is abusive, but didn't state if that was verbal or physical. If verbal, I'd look at inhibiting this negative trait. If, however, it's physical, I'd point you toward the use of a sigil.

No matter how you acquire a spell, I've always found the ones I've created work the best. When I formulate any spell I ask these questions: why do I want____, how may this be gotten _____, where will this come from ______, what do I want to achieve _____, when do I want to achieve it ______. Asking these questions focuses my mind on the issue to be resolved, gives purpose and intent into the workings of the spell, and allows me to visualise the successful outcome. This method has never failed me. And the best part is, it cost nothing. Oh, I do like being frugal. lol.

LOL, I read the OP (albeit a bit late) and I was thinking of responding with the same sort of answer (empower the woman). I see others have this idea as well. Good to know great minds can sometimes think alike.

[Nahemah]

Well,it's not unusual for me to be out of step with the consensus,lol.

Simple request,simple resource provided.

I have been in an abusive relationship and survived a similar childhood.I often wished someone had cared enough to intervene,however they chose do do it and I am a magickal pragmatist who does not suscribe to concepts of karma.

Just sharing my own view,a little. [thumbup]

[Stukov]

I don't think we was saying you did anything wrong and I do have an opinion on the subject in general but I'm late for work so I will just copy/paste a story of mine to illustrate the point.
I'll edit spacing later.

Spoiler:

The wind blew hard over his body as he laid next to the body of his dead son. His eyes open, but lifeless; the face of terror diminishing as the muscles slip into relaxation, leaving only an empty blank stare.

Beneath the boot and brow of his head the mind contemplates options but is directed to the inevitable conclusion the fear makes for him. With the post conclusion rationalization that what he was doing was the best for his family, part of some greater plan of which they could be part of. The road was difficult, but in the end things would be set right.

His hand motioned his submission, signing over his land and home to the men who just slew his son. And like that they were gone, leaving only a warning to be gone by tomorrow lest they would meet the reaper.

Weeping tears wet the ground as he is embraced by the arms of his remaining family, beneath each cry, there was a reality that his family was disappointed with him, but the despair from the loss of a brother, a son, and the family well being left them unable to recognize it.

They took what belonging they could carry and made off to the nearby town. The mother took all her family heirlooms and jewelry and selling them, to rent a room for the family.
The father, now despondent, made his way to a nearby establishment to fill his emptiness and empty a bottle. There he told his sob story to all the prying ears, and some of those listening told stories of families that they heard wouldn't give in and was all killed. Dark times they said; these were dark times.

After sharing their despair, a man comes walking into the bar, grand stature, sturdy, confident, yet tellingly humble. The father only a quarter empty took a long look at this fellow.

"Hey, you look familiar," the grieving father says from across the room, as silence fills the air. The newcomer turns and looks at him.

"Okay," he responds, then proceeds to sit himself down at an empty table. The grieving father walks over to him.

"You wanna hear a sad story mister?"

"No."

"You see-", the father begins ignoring the answer to his previous question.

"I said no," the man motions the waitress for a meal.

"What's wrong with you, don't you care about the people around here?"

"No," he repeats hinting no interest whatsoever to the queries upon him.

"What?" A pause unsettles the room, "You think you are better than us?"

"No," he continues without raising his face beneath the brim of his hat.

"Then what's your problem?"

"I don't want to hear your 'sad story'," the man explains.

"Why is that, huh?" The father asks as he staggers closer.

"Why does it matter, will it change anything?"

"That's not the point, but maybe it would," retorts the man, in a bewildered and uncomfortable state.

"How? How would it change anything?"

"I don't know, but maybe it could," he tries to reason again with showing of anger.

"Maybe's don't change anything, only you can."

"So you think you know something about me now?"

"Yes."

"Like what?" The father challenges the stranger.

"You came here to feel sorry for yourself for being weak. And to have other other people console you for being weak."

"What do you know!" The father yells in a rage. At the table, the man can see the crowd getting agitated; one of them yelling out that this man just lost his son, home, and land. He opens his coat and shows his weapons, easing back the press of the crowd. The father eyes boil with tears, "What do you know of someone taking the life of your son, saying they will kill your whole family unless you do what they want? What do you know about it! What would you do?"

"I know everything about it!" The man yells standing up locking his eyes on that of the father, "and I didn't sit there like a coward giving into the demands of some insignificant pricks who think by threatening or killing the weak that they could capitulate the strong!"

"So you think you are better than me?" The father asks challenging the stranger.

"I think no such thing. I think I was stronger than you, because I didn't give in to the fear." The two men locked eye to eye. Then the mood of the father changes.

"Wait, I know you. You are the Great Warrior they talk about, you can help us!"

"Why would I help you?" The man responds as he sits back down.

"Because you are the Great Warrior, they tell tales of you, you help people fight against tyranny."

"You are mistaken."

"What do you mean?" The warrior looks around.

"What tyranny exists here?"

"They kill you and your whole family if you don't give them what they want," a voice from the crowd says.

"Who?" The warrior asks.

"There was a man who lived a ways down the road, he lived with his wife and his children, they came just a few days ago demanding that he turn over his land. He refused and they killed them all and took his land anyways." A voice explains.

"You see," the grieving father exclaims, "I had no choice!"

"You were aware of this then? Before they took your boy's life?" Asks the warrior.

"There was word around town..."

"So you did nothing; knowing there was murderous thieves running around killing your neighbors, and not only did you not organize a defense of your home and family, but as a community you did nothing to avenge one of your own members?"

"Well, I didn't get in town until today and didn't know anything about it..."

"So the truth is you didn't actually know your family would die, you were just giving into your fears. Then coming here telling and listening to stories to justify your cowardice. Finally, begging others to fight for what you are too afraid to fight for yourself.

No sir, I won't help you, you already chose how much your freedom and livelihood means to you, and it is far too cheap for me to risk my own life and limb for it."
"But what about my family, how will I feed them?"

"Do I look like a farmer to you?"

"What would you have me do then?"

"Nothing, you make your own choices and you have to live with them like the rest of us."

"Some hero you are-"

"I never claimed to be one."

"Well, the stories aren't true then-"

"I cannot control the stories of others more than I can control the weather. That man you spoke of, the one who died standing up to these goons, had I been there to witness it, I wouldn't have hesitated to help, had I got into town and you all had put together a posse to confront these goons, I would have helped. I will stand beside a person who draws a line in the sand and risks everything to fight for what they believe in, so long as it is obviously just." The waitress brings over his meal which he pays for including a room, taking his food to bed for the night.
That night the men of the town gathered and with drink in one hand and fervor in the other, they debated action, with the grieving father assuring them, that if they took a stand, the Great Warrior would have their back. In the morning the men of the town gathered their weapons to meet the goons at the grieving man's home.

There they made a stand and despite the assuredness of the grieving father the great warrior would come, he never did, and soon as violence erupted the townsmen broke flock and scattered to the wind. Some were killed; some were captured, including the grieving father.

The goons brought the prisoners back to the town before all the people, to show what happens to those who oppose them. They took the grieving father out in front of the crowd, as he wept in sorrow they executed him. Before his body hit the ground the father's younger son broke free of his mothers grip and charged at the goon with weapon in hand.

The goon quickly disarmed the boy knocking him to the ground, then told him to run back to his family, like the coward his father was, but the boy kept getting back up and charging at the goon, even without a weapon.

Finally as he was being held down by the goon, the boy screamed he wouldn’t ever stay down, he wouldn't stop trying to kill him even until his last his last dying breath. And as the boy was held down kicking and screaming, biting, and gnawing, the great warrior stepped from the crowd and rushed the goon, knocking him from the boy.

Confused for a second, the boy, the goons, and the crowd stare at the warrior, who looks down at the boy and only said two words.

"Get him," and the boy sprung to his feet and went after the goon, the other goons all went for the boy, but not before being interrupted by the warrior. The boy fought with the goon, scrapping as best he could, and each time it seemed the boy was in for the great warrior stepped in and gave the boy a chance. Finally, with only a few goons left standing and with the blood of the head goon on the boys hands, did the remaining goons flee. The warrior put away his weapons and went back in to get his waiting meal. One of the men from the posse came in.

"Where were you when we faced them earlier, so many lives could have been saved?"

"I was here."

"But you said you would help if-"

"You was here, you know better, I never said such a thing."

"But the father-"

"Is a coward who only went because he thought someone else would fight for him, as with the rest of you. He lied to you, but you are the same as him."

"Why help the boy then?"

"Because he showed strength and courage, for he knew he was going to die. He faced his fears and chose to fight for something more worthy than just his life. He didn’t act thinking it would save him; he acted alone and showed more strength than this whole town put together. He inspired me. Even though he was weak in ability, he was strong in heart and mind. I only helped when he was only too weak physically to win. Perhaps this time the stories or tales will reflect this, that it was a boy who stood up to those goons, not some great warrior who didn’t even dirty his boots."

[Nahemah]

I don't think we was saying you did anything wrong and I do have an opinion on the subject in general but I'm late for work so I will just copy/paste a story of mine to illustrate the point.

I know and cheers for that. [thumbup]

I was just clarifying my stance anyway,as I have a diverging viewpoint from those who'd posted in the thread.That is all.

Unfortunately the demon work is calling me too,so I 'll need to read the story later.

Work: the curse of the thinking classes,lol. [sadface] [rofl]

[ΙΟΛΗ7]

I was lucky...or unlucky to ''practise'' in places of mental treatment and pyhsical abilities.I've seen many people with problems like these.What i learned from my experience.Everything is in our hands.We all have the power but sometimes we just don't know how to use it.The God that we believe in,is there.Always gives us a path....the thing is...can we see it?
....of course that's not a law...people with inheritance of mental illness genes,are excluded...and some more.

[Stukov]

The reason I would be against the "using spell to break up a couple because of abuse or whatever", is for a few different reasons. First off, your spell may backfire and create a highly volatile situation (or one that already is worse) where you put the person in more danger. We often do the most harm when we are trying to help as we often don't fully 100% understand the situation or are able to calculate every variable needed to prevent disaster.

Secondly, its their life and their choice. By intervening you are infringing upon their free will. Not only are you depriving them of the opportunity to learn from their mistakes (in which they are just as likely to get into the same situation with someone else), but by making the decision for them you are enslaving them to your own will. It's you saying "I know better than you and I'm going to do this for your benefit".

In my experiences (past life definitely as this one as well) protecting others means you never betray them or their free will. I have known people (for my college studies and personal life) who have been in abusive relationships and as Psychology was one of my degrees I understand how people get stuck in that situation. But the thing is, just like a drug addict, they have to make the choice for themselves to change or get better, you can't save people from themselves. As much as there are people in the world we love and want nothing bad to happen to them, you have to accept this fact.

And as I mentioned, this is her battle to make, if she wants it to end (truly and not just paying lip service) then there are things you can do without the involvement of magic, otherwise it is best not to get in the way. Whether live or die, its her life and she has to make the decision to change things - and it is her right.

The reason I included the story there, was that many people want to change their lives but are for a variety of reasons physically not strong enough to do so. If you are someone who is strong (whether physically or by will) then you can assist them whatever decision they make, but not make the decision for them. Trust me, from experience, when I say Deus Ex Machina is not something human beings handle all that well in the progression of life or society.

[Vashta]

There's one thing I'd like to add to what Stukov and others have said.

People who stay in abusive relationships often suffer from codependence: it basically means they're people-pleasers, in a way they live to serve, they get a sense of validation from it that they otherwise lack. Because of this, they are likely to compromise their own boundaries for other people, which, particularly in an abusive relationship, can be extremely bad for them. Until such a person can recognise this flaw in their self, and begin to work towards asserting their boundaries, albeit in a respectful manner, it is very likely that this pattern of entering and staying in abusive relationships will repeat in future. Breaking up with an abusive partner is the best thing for the abused partner's mental health, in the long run.

Until she can see that she is part of the problem by accepting abusive behaviour, she is quite likely to end up in the same situation, if not worse, again and again.

[Stukov]

Yeah, pretty much what I was saying/thinking. As others have said, it might be better if any spell is cast would be one of awareness or that could somehow help her find her way, but even if she becomes aware of it, she might not decide to change. As much as it is mean to say it and might not apply to your friend, some people are broken. They don't feel right if life and the people around them are good. They feel more at equilibrium with their environment when it reflects their inner self (which can be very bad/negative).

[Nahemah]

I shouldn't respond any more in this thread as it's clear that there is no point in trying to explain why crisis led magick can be very useful,in fact even lifesaving,in situations of spousal/familial abuse.

But I 'm going to anyway.

To empower oneself one must have sufficient breathing space and ability [oh those cracked ribs and head injuries,they do often fog the thinking,you know] the victim needs a break in the chain of events at least.A refuge,a safe place a hiding place,even if it 's only in the mind.This can be impossible to get to,without some kind of crisis led intervention.

The recovery process is long term and only begins in earnest after escaping the situation,for those lucky ones who get out alive or reasonably intact,physically speaking.

Why not utilise magickal skills for this?

I 'm sorry but I don't see why it is considered wrong to do so,yet so many who accept karma will cheerfully cast for money and material gain,without thinking of consequences further in the chain of events,or how they may be affecting others or interfering with 'free will',as it's been put here.
Where is the moral difference,exactly can someone help me find it?

And can someone also explain what karma had to do with me being smacked around like a muppet in childhood? Or how it is involved in other cases of abuse.Because I 'd really like to have this clarified.

[Stukov]

I shouldn't respond any more in this thread as it's clear that there is no point in trying to explain why crisis led magick can be very useful,in fact even lifesaving,in situations of spousal/familial abuse.

But I 'm going to anyway.

Despite the seriousness of the topic, I laughed out loud a the top of my lungs at that. Just juxtaposition of "I should do this. But I'm going to anyways."

To empower oneself one must have sufficient breathing space and ability [oh those cracked ribs and head injuries,they do often fog the thinking,you know] the victim needs a break in the chain of events at least.A refuge,a safe place a hiding place,even if it 's only in the mind.This can be impossible to get to,without some kind of crisis led intervention.

I believe we all agreed that a spell to empower her would be beneficial, but all of it is mute if she (could be a he) isn't willing to make the choice to do it themselves. We aren't saying you can't help them, only you should only do it when they want it.

The recovery process is long term and only begins in earnest after escaping the situation,for those lucky ones who get out alive or reasonably intact,physically speaking.

Why not utilise magickal skills for this?

If they haven't made the choice you shouldn't interfere as you could easily make things worse. If they haven't made the choice then what is needed is a catharsis, where they wake up and realize the choice they have to make. To use magic may create a catharsis so bad you might up end up making it worse (such as brain dead or death), its not wise to gamble with someone else's well being or life unless they have indicated that they are willing to go that far to be better.

I 'm sorry but I don't see why it is considered wrong to do so,yet so many who accept karma will cheerfully cast for money and material gain,without thinking of consequences further in the chain of events,or how they may be affecting others or interfering with 'free will',as it's been put here.
Where is the moral difference,exactly can someone help me find it?

Yeah I don't work with karma, completely opted out of that a few years ago. The key to the situation is not to dawn the title of king, who decides what is best for others and acts on their behalf. I don't think any of us are saying you can't ever help them, but first you gotta wait till they make the choice to change or ask for help. I'm not saying you are like this, but often times the abuser has the same line of thinking, that they know better for the other person, and beats them into submission (yes some just do it cuz their angry or under the influence of drugs/alcohol).

And can someone also explain what karma had to do with me being smacked around like a muppet in childhood? Or how it is involved in other cases of abuse.Because I 'd really like to have this clarified.

I've never mentioned karma, I don't subscribe it it any longer so I can't comment on it (I have nothing good to say about the system of karma). However my previous understanding was that such things would occur "within the karma system" because of offenses in the past life (like in a previous life who hit you was someone you hit), which imo is a major issue with using the karma system. Rarely do the scales ever truly balance and you just keep hurting each other as you circle down a drain. Forgiveness and ending the cycle is far better, then no longer being part of karma.

Anyways, circumstances are different for kids. If this was a topic for children, it would be totally different story.

[ΙΟΛΗ7]

magic is a blessing...i want to believe that we'll use magic to make life easier for us and those we love the most ...not to change our own decisions...not to become a robot !!! Magic is not a game and we shouldh't solve everything with a ritual...A Greek proverb says: Συν Αθηνά και χείρα κίνει...which means:"Along with Athena (goddess), move also your hand" — "God helps those who help themselves."

[Etar]

I think we can all agree that the decision is ultimately up to Lectus. Do what thou wilt, after all.

[Nahemah]

I think we can all agree that the decision is ultimately up to Lectus. Do what thou wilt, after all.

I do agree with this statement,which is why I posted a resource in the first place,without much other commentary added.

As i said before: request made,answers given.No moralising.Job done.

The OP didn't ask for advice on whether this was right or wrong,just for help in acting in defense of a friend.

Then the rest happened.

I stand by what I said before and by crisis led intervention,I meant in the magickal sense,I 'm no beginner and I ve worked often in this type of thing,in fact,so often and with such success that I am very confident in projected outcomes and I always follow through with practical support afterwards too.
I 'm pleased to say I 've helped more than a few take the first steps out of Hell,over recent years.Having first hand experience means my non judgmental approach is appreciated by those I work with.A point worth noting,I feel.

The chance of making things worse is being overplayed here somewhat,all magick is potentially risky and many situations concerning this kind of violence have already escalated to potentially fatal by the time desperate parties attempt intervention.The stats regarding abusive relationship murders are horrific and the shame of being judged and moralised over by others who are on the outside,with little understanding of the realities, often keeps victims from speaking out or attempting to get away until it's too late.

The State and Authority/Law also have a role in this,too many spouses and families slip through the safety net due to lack of adequate help,support and protection from the Police and other such emergency resources/agencies.

There's been a lot of verbal cut and run in this thread and and the sidestepping of the questions I asked in my last post,by those who talked of karma [not directed you Stukov,sorry] is higly visible also.

Well I 've had my say here,more than enough,no doubt too,lol.

I also believe magick should be used to improve lives and I still don't see how this instance of use,is seperate from that or somehow any less useful or morally right than any other.

[Stukov]

I think we can all agree that the decision is ultimately up to Lectus. Do what thou wilt, after all.

I do agree with this statement,which is why I posted a resource in the first place,without much other commentary added.

As i said before: request made,answers given.No moralising.Job done.

The OP didn't ask for advice on whether this was right or wrong,just for help in acting in defense of a friend.

Then the rest happened.

I stand by what I said before and by crisis led intervention,I meant in the magickal sense,I 'm no beginner and I ve worked often in this type of thing,in fact,so often and with such success that I am very confident in projected outcomes and I always follow through with practical support afterwards too.
I 'm pleased to say I 've helped more than a few take the first steps out of Hell,over recent years.Having first hand experience means my non judgmental approach is appreciated by those I work with.A point worth noting,I feel.

The chance of making things worse is being overplayed here somewhat,all magick is potentially risky and many situations concerning this kind of violence have already escalated to potentially fatal by the time desperate parties attempt intervention.The stats regarding abusive relationship murders are horrific and the shame of being judged and moralised over by others who are on the outside,with little understanding of the realities, often keeps victims from speaking out or attempting to get away until it's too late.

The State and Authority/Law also have a role in this,too many spouses and families slip through the safety net due to lack of adequate help,support and protection from the Police and other such emergency resources/agencies.

There's been a lot of verbal cut and run in this thread and and the sidestepping of the questions I asked in my last post,by those who talked of karma [not directed you Stukov,sorry] is higly visible also.

Well I 've had my say here,more than enough,no doubt too,lol.

I also believe magick should be used to improve lives and I still don't see how this instance of use,is seperate from that or somehow any less useful or morally right than any other.

I think most of us discussing this weren't necessarily doing so to reflect and tell the OP what to do, but more a discussion among ourselves, which I am quite pleased with. I think this is an example of the beauty of this forum where we can take sensitive topic like this and discuss our differing points of view like adults. Ultimately I believe each of us wants the best for our brothers and sisters of this world. We each have our own experiences and opinions and I think that when we express our views in a place like this it is easy for others (or us when we read others) to see what they are saying within our own perspective and assume we know where or what they are saying, when in truth if we were to sit down and discuss it all out we actually agree 95% of the time.

I personally didn't have a home that was physically abusive, I'm thankful that my father (as my grandpa was an abusive alcoholic to his family) stopped the circle of violence, but I've known friends/family who have gone through it, and as a 911 emergency operator had to listen on many occasions listen to someone nearly getting beat to death on the other end of the phone until I could trace the call and get the police there...I suppose the point I'm making is that I believe we can all agree that no one deserves going through such a thing. However, it is a part of life and we should all be aware of what is going on so that if the moment arrives we are there to help and not just turn a blind eye because it was easier.

[reynkin]

dear friend....i was in a similar kind of situation like yours.......tried everything........bought spells from ebay.........but all of no use......hey did u succeed with any of the break up spell pls let me inform...i also wanted to do to separate a couple where the girl had done spell on me and really harmed me and just went away from my life after promising to marry me when she got a rich guy....pls reply...
reyn

[reynkin]

its so irritating that instead of giving a proper reply..people try to educate and talk all nonsense rather giving a straight reply for the question asked.pls reply and post if you have succeeded and got a real working spell to separate a couple.
reyn

[Nahemah]

its so irritating that instead of giving a proper reply..people try to educate and talk all nonsense rather giving a straight reply for the question asked.pls reply and post if you have succeeded and got a real working spell to separate a couple.
reyn

See the first two replies in this thread. [thumbup]

[Stukov]

As mentioned in one of my posts, the OP left sometime through the topic and appears to not have returned, the dicussion that followed was a discussion amongst peers here on this forum. Talking about how they feel about the ethics of when to use or not to use magic. But the answers was always up there.

[entropic]

Just to continue the discussion, since I just saw a situation almost like this (somebody trying to get rid of their psychopath bf ) very close to me.. to hear about something and know the 'right' theoretic answer is one thing, to watch the situation develop daily and still do nothing is an entirely other matter. To me at least, and since I had no idea how to break them up since they weren't really together I ended up attacking the bf to get him busy with other things, which worked very well.

Once I stopped it took about three weeks and then he was worming his way back, and here we go again.. I'm staying out of it until she again realises what he is and starts trying to get rid of him...and then I guess I'll do the same again too. Not because of any theories about how one should act but because its no option to just watch this.