Using Anger for Sigils?

[TheSpoonyOne]

Is it viable to use anger or sadness as a source for magick, and sigil making? I have made several sigils which used happiness, and purity as a sort of catalyst, and lately, I have felt empty. Worse yet, whenever I feel something, it has been intense anger or other negative emotions. I have several theories on why this is happening. I have been told that by releasing positive emotions into these sigils, I am leaving myself with only the bad, and therefore am feeling those emotions more than ever before. (Trust me, I am not joking when I say EXTREME anger). If this is the case, would it be possible to use anger to create a sigil, and perhaps relieve myself of that emotion? What about creating a sigil whose purpse is to transfer my anger into someone else? Or would this NOT be the right thing to do? If so, then what?

[Commander Chaos]

Maybe you are just going through a bad time right now and that ts why you don't have alot of positivity at the moment. Putting your positive emotions into your sigils isn't going to take away your positive emotions. That just doesn't make sense. Once you make a sigil it's been made and you shouldn't have to actively be putting that much into it. Remember that after doing any ritual there is kind of a pause, or absense before you get the desired effects.

The desired effects could possibly lead to other effects down the road that you may not have wanted. I personally would not put anger and sadness into a sigil, I think it would only create more anger or sadness unless you were doing some kind of experiment where you were trying to convert your anger and sadness into something more positive? Something like that would be possible. Once time when I was 19 I put sadness into making a wind elemental, he turned out to be one of the coolest elementals I ever created, his name was zoz.

[TheSpoonyOne]

Right... I am also guessing it was not a good idea on my part to make two sigils on the same day, each with the same purpose, charging them, and then disposing of them in different ways, one b fire and one by water.

[Commander_Chaos]

You should be fine, I was doing alot of stuff like that when I was 19. Positivity tends to bring about more positivity around though.

[Jack-o-diamonds]

in Liber Null & Psychonaut it mentions different ways to enter into gnosis in order to charge a sigil, and extreme rage and pain are listed. any extreme emotion is enough to charge a sigil so long as you are able to enter gnosis while doing so. as for it being positive or negative and the bad/good effects of that... that's up to you. i know plenty of people who don't have any bad outcomes by using rage to charge a sigil, it's just a tool. you could be doing a sigil to heal puppies and use some crazy rage to charge it.

but then again, it's all perspective. if you think it'll bring about bad things... that's what you'll get. hope that helps.

[TheSpoonyOne]

in Liber Null & Psychonaut it mentions different ways to enter into gnosis in order to charge a sigil, and extreme rage and pain are listed. any extreme emotion is enough to charge a sigil so long as you are able to enter gnosis while doing so. as for it being positive or negative and the bad/good effects of that... that's up to you. i know plenty of people who don't have any bad outcomes by using rage to charge a sigil, it's just a tool. you could be doing a sigil to heal puppies and use some crazy rage to charge it.

but then again, it's all perspective. if you think it'll bring about bad things... that's what you'll get. hope that helps.

Eh, I tend to hold the view that everything will go according to plan. I'm CAREFUL, but I have will... by the way, how do you enter gnosis? I have experimented with sexual euphoria, pain, and meditation (accomponied withthe greatest music in the world.)

[Commander_Chaos]

Gnosis can be tough at first, our brains/minds are kind of hardwired with alot of limitations that can be overcome relatively easy with enough practice. I suggest listening to some kind music or other trippy imagery and really trying to break through these barriers. Might I also suggest trying to only sleep 1 to 3 hours a night but that is an (at your own risk) sort of thing. Try watching these, they always helped me but really it is different for everyone. Be careful with extreme states of gnosis, they can get extremely hard to snap out of they can really make you more vulnerable to things and even thin the veil around you, if you do get stuck in a deep gnosis try sleeping extra hours, eating food and taking it easy

[Jack-o-diamonds]

i currently have to enter gnosis three times a week, and starting the 21st will have to enter it three times a day for 2 weeks... the no sleep thing is not that helpful. there are many different ways to enter gnosis; just about any extreme emotional state can do it, but also a shit ton of drumming and/or chanting. commander_chaos is right when he/she says you need some mental training (or at least it makes it a lot easier), i had 3 months of daily meditations and concentrations before i was expected to work with any kind of gnosis, which really conditioned my brain to stop being an asshole with trying to block any of it. that being said, there are a LOT of different levels of that stuff... the small euphoria would probably be a really low level of that, and i know it's everyones favorite way of achieving gnosis... but sexual stuff needs to not just be you having sex... you're supposed to break some taboos if you're doing it that way, or you'll just get "euphoria". read some Liber Lux, it's really helpful and was written by my mentor :>

[TheSpoonyOne]

Gnosis can be tough at first, our brains/minds are kind of hardwired with alot of limitations that can be overcome relatively easy with enough practice. I suggest listening to some kind music or other trippy imagery and really trying to break through these barriers. Might I also suggest trying to only sleep 1 to 3 hours a night but that is an (at your own risk) sort of thing. Try watching these, they always helped me but really it is different for everyone. Be careful with extreme states of gnosis, they can get extremely hard to snap out of they can really make you more vulnerable to things and even thin the veil around you, if you do get stuck in a deep gnosis try sleeping extra hours, eating food and taking it easy

Trippy... is an understatement as far as the first video goes. I am straight edge, but I'm sure that the video is the closest thing possible to drugs that I will EVER do. As for the advice, I can go without sleep. Insomnia and all.

[TheSpoonyOne]

i currently have to enter gnosis three times a week, and starting the 21st will have to enter it three times a day for 2 weeks... the no sleep thing is not that helpful. there are many different ways to enter gnosis; just about any extreme emotional state can do it, but also a shit ton of drumming and/or chanting. commander_chaos is right when he/she says you need some mental training (or at least it makes it a lot easier), i had 3 months of daily meditations and concentrations before i was expected to work with any kind of gnosis, which really conditioned my brain to stop being an asshole with trying to block any of it. that being said, there are a LOT of different levels of that stuff... the small euphoria would probably be a really low level of that, and i know it's everyones favorite way of achieving gnosis... but sexual stuff needs to not just be you having sex... you're supposed to break some taboos if you're doing it that way, or you'll just get "euphoria". read some Liber Lux, it's really helpful and was written by my mentor :>

Eh, I prefer meditation and music. It feels more real, and so has more of an effect. The... other way is definitely what more people suggest unsurprisingly, and so I have a feeling it works, but I can't take it seriously enough for it to work.