It's kind of a long story so please try to bear with me, I really need some perspective on this situation. So when my wife and I moved to the south about 5 years ago. We used to on weekends go to the local flea market. One day we stumbled into a metaphysics shop there. We met the owner and his dead eyed wife and bought some decent incense and admired his Hotei Buddha statues. I wasn't into magick at all back then but was open minded and thought his shop was interesting. Once a month I would go back and buy some incense and talk with this guy and crack a few jokes and whatever.
About two years in we felt more comfortable talking to this guy and invited him and his wife over for dinner, trying to make friends out here had been difficult. They came and ate and he dropped some philosophy on me to think about and gave me a book wick for men. As my wife and I walked them out to their car his wife began to make small hints to us about sex. We always thought she was kinda weird to start with but so are we so we didn't make much out of it. She invited us to dinner and then strangely canceled the day of. Shortly after this I noticed he had a bit of an attitude whenever I went into his shop. So I would go less often, letting 4 months go by between visits.
One day I went in for a reading on starting a new business and he belittled me sort of which I just let go because the cards can be harsh sometimes I thought. I started to notice that he would often talk down to me when his wife was around and then I started having job issues and just really bad luck. Back then I thought nothing of it other than crap happens.
The day came when we were invited to his wedding were he married the dead eyed girl and they wer married for all of a year when she cheated on him and left him after giving birth to two kids. This guy started to call me and cry and ask me to come by which he never did before. Then he would make comments about bringing my wife because he needed feminine energy??? Whenever I would question this weird talk he would tell me not to worry because it's normal for me to be confused because I would need to be master like him to understand. I didn't like it and denied him any contact to my wife and she didn't like him at that point anyway.
the divorce had taken its toll on him and he had gotten dark and began to confide in me in a way he never did before. He told me had curse the child of the man his ex was sleeping with to be motherless like his kids now were. Then he told me that he was cursing everyone who was at the wedding who was not bashing his ex on facebook, like death curses he was saying. He said people would be dropping like flies.
I had been sick for a while upon us almost binding over his wife leaving him because I felt sorry for him. During this time I had been doing a free bed bug extermination because he had an explosive infestation out of nowhere and his kids began to have festering boils and rashes prior to my treatments also out of nowhere. I began to suspect that he really was cursing people and some were fighting back and landing hits on him and his household. I also suspected that he was draining me of energy.
Soon he was putting ideas in my head that my wife was cheating and that my sickness was fungal and I was going to grow roots out of my skin but that he was only telling me this because he loved me and wanted to help me. I could say I smelled fart and he would blame it on my wife who was not even present lol. I started to see that he was getting into my subconscious or trying to and I told him I didn't want to be friends anymore. His ex wife contacted me and told me that the dinner was cancelled back them by him because he was jealous because she was attracted to me and wanted to have sex and that he was interested in my wife, my wife was repulsed by him. His ex did say that he was cursing me as well, she knew that for a fact...there are several small cursing details to support this thought that I am leaving out because this is long already.
since that I have had periodic nightmares of spiders and spider people. Dreams of my wife cheating, my business which I did open has come to a complete halt and the phone no longer rings. I feel pressure at night like very heavy energetic air if that makes sense. Cold touches up my back. I seen a black shadow in my bedroom and 24 hours later my daughter did too and screamed bloody murder and I didn't tell anyone what I had seen yet.
It has gotten to the point where I can sense when he has been doing more work, every few weeks or so I can tell the exact night he has done it because I can sense it now. I have gone to local pagan shops here and though the folks there were very nice I am just being told to use an uncrossing candle or surround myself with white light. I have gotten better at handling this on my own to a point and in away see some light at the end of the tunnel in that this situation has opened my eyes a bit and now I am studying with real passion and love for the occult.
The problem is I just cant get the guy to stop, I am not scared out of my wits or terrified or paranoid but I am concerned that he may alter my life somehow and possible end my marriage if he keeps up at this. Mind you I don't think he is all powerful, I think he is a stooge and a cry baby but I think he can do a few harmful tricks. Because I am so new to this I can't seem to get an edge on him to stop him. I've put his picture between two mirrors and dropped it in the river. I've done freezer spells but it seems that after a while he is at it again.
I am not asking anyone to get involved or fight this guy for me, I just need some real perspective on this situation. The shops and teachers out here don't want to say much other than "buy this candle." I am not sure what to do. I don't want my life being ruined because this man is a crybaby with magical ability. I promise you that I did not provoke this on any level and I think that is one reason why he hasn't accomplished his goal so far. Feel free to do a reading as to my guilt if there is any question of my responsibility in this, I have nothing to hide. I don't mean that in an arrogant sense. If I am guilty of anything it is being gullible.
Can someone try to help me get some understanding of what I can do, I don't have money to afford the services of a conjure person to help me. I'm not even sure I want to do battle with this man. I just want advice if any can be given? I am at a loss here and need help. Thanks for reading this lengthy post.
Advice needed please
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What type of magic do you do? Do you practice some sort of witchcraft (you mentioned the book Wick for Men, so...?) a form of ceremonial magic, or ...?
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I'm sorry, the book was "Wicca for men", I'm pretty new to magick in general but the book I mentioned is what kind of popped my cherry I guess you could say as far as getting an interest into the occult and magick. I don't follow wicca but that book kind of got me thinking. It was a Cunningham book.
I am learning ceremonial magick currently(beginner stuff) but the mirror spell I did is hoodoo based. I really like the simplicity of hoodoo style magick but would not call myself an adept at all. I have never had a real teacher and have had to try to develop myself alone. I have had some success with hoodoo money lamps and I do hoodoo style cleansings/uncrossings except for when I do a consecrated salt bath. I am really open right now to all forms of magick that may be helpful to me in this situation. I don't want to hurt him just make him stop and get on with his life. the problem is he has none and is miserable, so whenever he gets in a mood those of us on his list get hit.
Everything I know is from books and are just basic spells using the power of the herbs and trying to raise as much energy as a noob like me can. I use the judika illes encyclopedia of 5000 spells and had looked into Jason Millers protection and reversal magick. I had considered trying to conjure Apoxias as per Jason's instructions in the book as a protector(he sounds like just what I need) but I just don't know if such a being would respect a noob such as me to call upon him like that. I don't want to compound my problems in desperation.
I'm basically trying to defend myself before I even got out of the gate. Really bad timing how I ran into this guy but as I have been told by the shop owners I have mentioned earlier, I am not alone in being attacked by this man. He is said to have a long list of people usually noobs like me who have been victimized by him.
I am learning ceremonial magick currently(beginner stuff) but the mirror spell I did is hoodoo based. I really like the simplicity of hoodoo style magick but would not call myself an adept at all. I have never had a real teacher and have had to try to develop myself alone. I have had some success with hoodoo money lamps and I do hoodoo style cleansings/uncrossings except for when I do a consecrated salt bath. I am really open right now to all forms of magick that may be helpful to me in this situation. I don't want to hurt him just make him stop and get on with his life. the problem is he has none and is miserable, so whenever he gets in a mood those of us on his list get hit.
Everything I know is from books and are just basic spells using the power of the herbs and trying to raise as much energy as a noob like me can. I use the judika illes encyclopedia of 5000 spells and had looked into Jason Millers protection and reversal magick. I had considered trying to conjure Apoxias as per Jason's instructions in the book as a protector(he sounds like just what I need) but I just don't know if such a being would respect a noob such as me to call upon him like that. I don't want to compound my problems in desperation.
I'm basically trying to defend myself before I even got out of the gate. Really bad timing how I ran into this guy but as I have been told by the shop owners I have mentioned earlier, I am not alone in being attacked by this man. He is said to have a long list of people usually noobs like me who have been victimized by him.
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Okay, so you've kinda dabbled in a bunch of things.
A failing in a lot of "protection" spells is that they are very passive, usually treating the incoming attack in a "let water roll off a duck's back" sort of fashion. I think this is usually in some well-meaning but foolish attempt to keep karma coming back at you, usually fueled by belief in the rule of threes (or something similarly farcical.) Well, there is no one karmically keeping score, and what you do doesn't come back on you in some sort of weird cosmic judgment/balancing act (if you bake a cake, your kitchen gets hot. This is a result of your action of baking the cake, not God punishing you for baking a cake.) This flies in the face of much that is written in occult "literature," since the viewpoint is typically post-Christian and so people find comfort in some sort of "the bad will get their own in the end" ideology. If you don't believe me, believe the Buddha instead - reaping what you sow is a lot different than some sort of weird cosmic revenge. Anyhow, trying to avoid the cosmic backlash, many protection spells wind up being pretty passive, since being aggressive is typically seen as "bad karmically." Since the spells don't have any teeth, they work all right when your attacker is your dimwit sister-in-law whose magical understanding comes from Charmed, but they're rarely effective against even a half-trained magician with enough energy to blow, as you have discovered.
I suggest you get nasty. What I used to do that worked is to stick people in The Box, which was one of those little 7x5x3ish pine boxes you pick up in the craft section at Hobby Lobby. I painted mine red and black and I put on them the planetary seals of Mars and Saturn (think aggression and constraint.) In the box I put broken glass, rose thorns and nails. When someone was to get boxed, I took something of theirs (or created a focus talisman directed at them), bound it in black yarn, and threw them in the box. I would call on the powers of the box while shaking the crap out of it. I would also get worked up, thinking about how angry I was at this person, and how much I wanted them to stop, and so on. When I mean worked up, I mean worked up - sweaty, tachycardic, sometimes crying, hissing pissed - get it? It's the focus that fuels the magic, however you attain your focus, so using your anger to focus the "knock it off you bastard" spell while shaking him up in a claustrophobic box full of broken glass is a good start. Don't do it once -- keep it up until he goes away. Every time he pisses you off? Box him. Remember that analogy about baking? Your kitchen will get hot with moody black energy if you do this (and if it lingers, it creates problems for you... reaping what you sow.) Instead of not baking, I open the window and turn on the vent fan. Use some banishing rituals and take a good hyssop bath and you'll be fine.
If you're uncomfortable launching a tac nuke in his direction, you might try getting a spirit on the line that specializes in this sort of problem. Since it's relationship drama, I'd go pick up a red Santa Muerte candle (probably at your grocery store, if there are a lot of Hispanics in your town) and go ask her for help. Commonly a big favor to Santa Muerte is prefaced by a gift of six white flowers and six coins left at the graveyard, and a thank-you present often consists of similar left at the graveyard and another candle burnt entirely in her honor. If you can't get a SM candle, you might try petitioning Our Lady of Fatima, who has a big focus on protection from malice (Catholic supply store, if not your grocery.) She'll want a present once she's done, I'm told (they all do) but I haven't worked with her so I don't know what she likes exactly. She's the Virgin Mary, though, so offerings of bread and olive oil and more candles is probably a safe bet. Ever done a 9 day novena? You said you've done some hoodoo, so maybe this would be more familiar to you.
A failing in a lot of "protection" spells is that they are very passive, usually treating the incoming attack in a "let water roll off a duck's back" sort of fashion. I think this is usually in some well-meaning but foolish attempt to keep karma coming back at you, usually fueled by belief in the rule of threes (or something similarly farcical.) Well, there is no one karmically keeping score, and what you do doesn't come back on you in some sort of weird cosmic judgment/balancing act (if you bake a cake, your kitchen gets hot. This is a result of your action of baking the cake, not God punishing you for baking a cake.) This flies in the face of much that is written in occult "literature," since the viewpoint is typically post-Christian and so people find comfort in some sort of "the bad will get their own in the end" ideology. If you don't believe me, believe the Buddha instead - reaping what you sow is a lot different than some sort of weird cosmic revenge. Anyhow, trying to avoid the cosmic backlash, many protection spells wind up being pretty passive, since being aggressive is typically seen as "bad karmically." Since the spells don't have any teeth, they work all right when your attacker is your dimwit sister-in-law whose magical understanding comes from Charmed, but they're rarely effective against even a half-trained magician with enough energy to blow, as you have discovered.
I suggest you get nasty. What I used to do that worked is to stick people in The Box, which was one of those little 7x5x3ish pine boxes you pick up in the craft section at Hobby Lobby. I painted mine red and black and I put on them the planetary seals of Mars and Saturn (think aggression and constraint.) In the box I put broken glass, rose thorns and nails. When someone was to get boxed, I took something of theirs (or created a focus talisman directed at them), bound it in black yarn, and threw them in the box. I would call on the powers of the box while shaking the crap out of it. I would also get worked up, thinking about how angry I was at this person, and how much I wanted them to stop, and so on. When I mean worked up, I mean worked up - sweaty, tachycardic, sometimes crying, hissing pissed - get it? It's the focus that fuels the magic, however you attain your focus, so using your anger to focus the "knock it off you bastard" spell while shaking him up in a claustrophobic box full of broken glass is a good start. Don't do it once -- keep it up until he goes away. Every time he pisses you off? Box him. Remember that analogy about baking? Your kitchen will get hot with moody black energy if you do this (and if it lingers, it creates problems for you... reaping what you sow.) Instead of not baking, I open the window and turn on the vent fan. Use some banishing rituals and take a good hyssop bath and you'll be fine.
If you're uncomfortable launching a tac nuke in his direction, you might try getting a spirit on the line that specializes in this sort of problem. Since it's relationship drama, I'd go pick up a red Santa Muerte candle (probably at your grocery store, if there are a lot of Hispanics in your town) and go ask her for help. Commonly a big favor to Santa Muerte is prefaced by a gift of six white flowers and six coins left at the graveyard, and a thank-you present often consists of similar left at the graveyard and another candle burnt entirely in her honor. If you can't get a SM candle, you might try petitioning Our Lady of Fatima, who has a big focus on protection from malice (Catholic supply store, if not your grocery.) She'll want a present once she's done, I'm told (they all do) but I haven't worked with her so I don't know what she likes exactly. She's the Virgin Mary, though, so offerings of bread and olive oil and more candles is probably a safe bet. Ever done a 9 day novena? You said you've done some hoodoo, so maybe this would be more familiar to you.
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I think you have me pegged pretty well, I have always had a good guy complex but I need to mature past this, I see that. I have done a 9 day novena candle but it was made by a shop owner here for the purposes of justice and cord cutting. I think it had an effect on him because I felt nothing for awhile after that but he has started up again. He has taken a beating himself I think, from other magicians fighting back at him but I just think he is unhinged and over 40, nothing going for him and so feels bitter and has nothing to lose. I really stepped in it hanging around this guy I guess.
I am definitely angry and fed up enough to do the pine box ritual you described. That sounds powerful to me. Also my wife and I have lots of friends in the Mexican community and we are familiar to a small extent with Santa Muerte. I have however steered away from working her as I've have heard conflicting information in regards to her wanting you to worship or work with her going forward and not taking no for an answer. I don't know if this is the case or not but I have played it safe up to the present.
I have a photo of this man that I've taken from myspace and that is what I used in the freezer spell. Could I just print another one and put that in the box or should I sculpt a doll of him, (I am decent with clay) and baptize it in his name?
I think you are right about being too passive and having no offense, it hasn't gotten the results I had hoped for and from the bottom of my soul I thank you for all of the help you have given me.
I am definitely angry and fed up enough to do the pine box ritual you described. That sounds powerful to me. Also my wife and I have lots of friends in the Mexican community and we are familiar to a small extent with Santa Muerte. I have however steered away from working her as I've have heard conflicting information in regards to her wanting you to worship or work with her going forward and not taking no for an answer. I don't know if this is the case or not but I have played it safe up to the present.
I have a photo of this man that I've taken from myspace and that is what I used in the freezer spell. Could I just print another one and put that in the box or should I sculpt a doll of him, (I am decent with clay) and baptize it in his name?
I think you are right about being too passive and having no offense, it hasn't gotten the results I had hoped for and from the bottom of my soul I thank you for all of the help you have given me.
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A small digression,but:
Did you remember to formally rescind his welcome?
He's been in your home and I just wanted to ask,as it can get overlooked sometimes and hereabouts it's an important part of dealing with guest who overstay/become nuisances.
Did you remember to formally rescind his welcome?
He's been in your home and I just wanted to ask,as it can get overlooked sometimes and hereabouts it's an important part of dealing with guest who overstay/become nuisances.
"He lived his words, spoke his own actions and his story and the story of the world ran parallel."
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
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Thank you, yes I have though I didn't do it right off the bat and did not know to do so initially until after reading a few books on protection finally came across that suggestion. I do periodic cord cuttings as well because I believe I was a food source for him. Also I had at one time many trinkets from his shop strewn all around my house that I had to track down and throw into a running creek. Thank you for asking that as it was a huge oversight on my part for too long.
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Frater_NT
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Never turn the other cheek, Brother. Being slapped on the face and turning the other cheek only leaves you being open to being slapped on the other side! When you have an enemy (and this guy messing with you and your wife certainly sounds like an enemy to me) you don't play gentile with them. When they come at you, you smash them even harder in return! I honestly think it would do you some good, when you have the time, to read Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible. The rituals and "magic" in the book are just plane silly, but the philosophy is what you would want the book for. Getting back on track though, depending on how far you are willing to go to get this guy off your back, I could give you some pretty nasty ideas. PM me if interested 
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I am finding out the hard way about turning the other cheek. This has really gone on too long and this has stressed out my kids too, my little girl had a nightmare that a furby of all things was talking to her in a demonic voice and telling her it was going to kill us all. She is seven and he had held this furby as I bought it at the flea market where he works and he asked to put it in a bag for me and then I went to get food and came back like a fool.
The fact that all of this really all stems from his childish jealousy and after I tried to console him during his separation and then did a free bedbug service that required multiple visits on my dime...it is really aggravating to see that he thinks I should be punished for having something he has lost. I don't want to rant too much but there is just something weak and pathetic about his motivations. I really want it all to just go away and with that said I am typing up a pm now. Thank you for even taking the time.
The fact that all of this really all stems from his childish jealousy and after I tried to console him during his separation and then did a free bedbug service that required multiple visits on my dime...it is really aggravating to see that he thinks I should be punished for having something he has lost. I don't want to rant too much but there is just something weak and pathetic about his motivations. I really want it all to just go away and with that said I am typing up a pm now. Thank you for even taking the time.
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Oh, I get it -- there's no reason to start a fight, but there sure is a reason to finish one, especially in this case. You might consider also that pine boxes = coffin ("They buried him in a pine box" so say the old Westerns, right?) so you have the option of burying this fellow either at a crossroads or in an actual graveyard, too. Anointing fluids good for this sort of thing include Syrian rue (not goat's rue, which is something else entirely... Syrian rue is purifying and Mars-martial, a very aggressive little plant), cinnamon oil to heat it up (also Mars), and cypress oil (it's the guardian of the graveyard and Saturnian.)Garuda wrote:I think you have me pegged pretty well, I have always had a good guy complex but I need to mature past this, I see that. I have done a 9 day novena candle but it was made by a shop owner here for the purposes of justice and cord cutting. I think it had an effect on him because I felt nothing for awhile after that but he has started up again. He has taken a beating himself I think, from other magicians fighting back at him but I just think he is unhinged and over 40, nothing going for him and so feels bitter and has nothing to lose. I really stepped in it hanging around this guy I guess.
I am definitely angry and fed up enough to do the pine box ritual you described. That sounds powerful to me. Also my wife and I have lots of friends in the Mexican community and we are familiar to a small extent with Santa Muerte. I have however steered away from working her as I've have heard conflicting information in regards to her wanting you to worship or work with her going forward and not taking no for an answer. I don't know if this is the case or not but I have played it safe up to the present.
I have a photo of this man that I've taken from myspace and that is what I used in the freezer spell. Could I just print another one and put that in the box or should I sculpt a doll of him, (I am decent with clay) and baptize it in his name?
I think you are right about being too passive and having no offense, it hasn't gotten the results I had hoped for and from the bottom of my soul I thank you for all of the help you have given me.
I don't know how involved you want to be in making poppets, but a wax/clay poppet does really well in a box because it gets cut up and embedded with the broken glass and nails (might have to use kiddie nondrying clay for that to work.) You can certainly use the photo, but you might also think about putting the photo inside the poppet. The nice part about the wax poppet is when you warm it up to mold it a bit, you can add some essential oils to your hands and work them into the wax/clay as well, so that's helpful. Another thing I've seen people do is embed birdseed in wax poppets and hang them from a tree by a noose. As the birds peck at the poppet, so the person gets harassed, plus the energy of the tree helps, etc. I haven't tried it myself since I like boxing people, but it's an idea. One thing I did try once that worked pretty okay was making bread dough clay and adding sand to it, then making poppets out of the clay, staining them with red food coloring "blood" and letting the animals have at it - a little dirt and food coloring won't harm birds or mice or anything, so...
One thing that has worked with SM in the past is to take a black candle and march her anticlockwise around your target (the photo, in this case) as you petition her to handle this twit. If you can carve his name in the candle with a maguey thorn, even better (maguey thorns were used for minor blood sacrifices by the Aztecs.) Don't forget to burn copal for her, if you decide to run with SM - it's the life blood sacrifice of a sacred tree (again, Aztec belief) and it's sacred life essence/sacrificed blood vibe carries over hard to Santa Muerte.
Might try some combination of these things. If you need more ideas, let us know.
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Thank you, I think you have given me some great things to work with and helped realize some things about myself and how I am handling this. I am very humbled by the amount of sound advice I am getting from this forum. Thank you.