A few questions regarding Servitor creation

[dancing-with-dragons]

Hello! I have a few questions about Servitors.

First of all, if children's "Imaginary friends" can become servitors simply by believing in them, then is it purely necessary to charge servitors like chaos magicians do? What I mean is, is ritual work/sigil work/charging the only way to create a servitor?

Can servitors appear in your dreams? For example, could you program a servitor to help you become lucid in your dreams?

Is it true that servitors can gather energy from electricity? How does this work?

Is it necessary to have large amounts of energy when creating the servitor, or can they go on an gather their own energy after creation?

Can servitors affect the thoughts of others? Can they make someone think of something, read minds, etc.

I heard some folks charge sigils by putting them on bathroom stall walls. Can the same be done with servitors?

And lastly, what is your preferred method of creating servitors? Can I simply make a sigil, and visualize the servitor while masturbating?

All help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[LordAnayami]

Hello! I have a few questions about Servitors.

First of all, if children's "Imaginary friends" can become servitors simply by believing in them, then is it purely necessary to charge servitors like chaos magicians do? What I mean is, is ritual work/sigil work/charging the only way to create a servitor?


Creating servitors is like creating imaginary friend, but servitors are more complicated. They have their special code and special work.

Can servitors appear in your dreams? For example, could you program a servitor to help you become lucid in your dreams?

Maybe, I tryied one, byr it was a failture

Is it true that servitors can gather energy from electricity? How does this work?

Do not know exacly, but I think its like draining energy from objects.

Is it necessary to have large amounts of energy when creating the servitor, or can they go on an gather their own energy after creation?

They can charge by themself, if you make code to do it. If you give them lots of energy it may help them a lot

And lastly, what is your preferred method of creating servitors? Can I simply make a sigil, and visualize the servitor while masturbating?

Making servitor is like making a program with visualisation. You have to think about it, make plan and them turn it into text and during visualisation say text.

All help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[Ramscha]

Okay, before beginning with this matter I would recommend you some serious background literature. A must-read in my humble opinion:
Creating a magickal Entity - Cunningham

First of all, if children's "Imaginary friends" can become servitors simply by believing in them, then is it purely necessary to charge servitors like chaos magicians do?

Well, for a childrens imaginary "friend" I wouldn´t take the term "servitor". As the name says they are a friend, not a servant.
The technique is basicly the same but children have the advantage that they can much easier put out their inner desires into a visualized form. Therefore their "entities" are very often charged with very deep emotions like the desire to have a comrad to play. Maybe sounds childish in the first view but in the second if you look deeper this desire goes back to the first insticnts and the desire of social life which in my opinion is comes from much deeper then the surficial desire for a cake backing donkey servant.

Can servitors appear in your dreams? For example, could you program a servitor to help you become lucid in your dreams?

Taking the theory of most chaosmagickal paradigms and the book I recommended as the axiom this should be possible depending of course on the quality of your work. Some people I worked with even suggested that it is possible to give your servitor a home in your dream plane as energetic binding or something like that. Sounds somehow creepy to me considering the shape some servitors might have [lol]

Is it true that servitors can gather energy from electricity? How does this work?

Have never seen one. However between atoms in the air and environment electrical forces are working, so who knows what those things might do. I personally doubt that they will take up lightbolts out of your TV to gain energy, but who knows, my opinion is not the law of the world, at least not of this one [lol]

Is it necessary to have large amounts of energy when creating the servitor, or can they go on an gather their own energy after creation?

Also taking again the book and common paradigms as axiom I will try to put it into an analogy: A smith can take a pieco of steel, heat it up one time, hit it three times with the hammer and give it a reasonable sharp tip. This thing now might take 2 or 3 times blood by itself but then it is dull and you have to sharp it again by yourself. Or the smith can take a piece of steel, heat it up and fold it for thousands of times, again and again. This piece might then stay sharp for years or decades if treated properly and during that time take the blood of many people before becoming dull. Everything a choice of personal taste, price, time and smith.

Can servitors affect the thoughts of others? Can they make someone think of something, read minds, etc.

In this case I would suggest to compare the principle of the acting of sigils and servitors. Their acting is striking similar.

I heard some folks charge sigils by putting them on bathroom stall walls. Can the same be done with servitors?

Some people also say you have to burn or burry them in the ground [wink]
Well, you can glue your servitor to the wall if you like, nobody will interfere in this case I guess.

And lastly, what is your preferred method of creating servitors? Can I simply make a sigil, and visualize the servitor while masturbating?

Sexual magickal act sounds probably like a good idea, their are worse ways to create a servitor.
I am somehow more oldfashioned, I don´t create a servitor very often, but when then I use some clay, nails and several other things which might not be adviseable to post in an open forum where also underaged people can read it. Lets just say that mother earth and I are very close friends. [greensmile]
And forget recitating pages of text, gutural grunting might have the same effect.

Ramscha

[beero]

I'd like to add a couple of my questions about servitors hope that's alright

could you reasonably tell if a servitor is working as intended by divination such as pendulum dowsing? that is if the effects of the servitor are not immediately obvious

similar to one of dancing-with-dragons questions:
could you incorporate into servitor design that it gets energy from zero point energy/dark matter or solar power?

[dancing-with-dragons]

Thanks for the replies!

[DawningSun777]

Can servitors appear in your dreams? For example, could you program a servitor to help you become lucid in your dreams?

Yes, in theory a servitor can definitely appear in one's dreams. I am not sure if it can help you lucid dream, again in theory almost anything should be able to help you dream. For me a servitor would not work, I'm more about the "look around, flip a coin" practice.

Is it true that servitors can gather energy from electricity? How does this work?

Is it necessary to have large amounts of energy when creating the servitor, or can they go on an gather their own energy after creation?

Can servitors affect the thoughts of others? Can they make someone think of something, read minds, etc.

The thing here is that a servitor is a creation of / tied to your mind. It can do any of these things if you want it to. Will it actually feed of electricity, take energy from others, etc? No, it doesn't exist in the objective universe, only in the subjective universe. You shouldn't be asking "can it do this or that", you should be deciding what it can and cannot do.

As for reading minds / influencing thoughts, it can only do as much as regular magick can do - aid you.

And lastly, what is your preferred method of creating servitors? Can I simply make a sigil, and visualize the servitor while masturbating?

The way I originally did it was bound it to a pendent. I think I had a sigil as well, made from its name. Eventually the bond will become strong enough to where it will be around whenever and wherever you want it.

P.S.
I do highly recommend having a servitor!

[dancing-with-dragons]

Thanks for the info!

I have a couple more questions to add.

1. Can servitors have a will of their own, if programmed so?
2. I know servitors can duplicate themselves. Is it possible that, theoretically, some types of spirits could be servitors/thought forms that the ancients created, and have reproduced themselves over the years?

[DawningSun777]

1. Can servitors have a will of their own, if programmed so?

No. Since servitors are a creation of and bound to your mind, they can only have your will, not their own. Even if you somehow were to come to believe your servitor has its own will, it is still simply an extension of your mind and therefore does not have free will. You can pretend though, pretending is an important occult practice haha.

2. I know servitors can duplicate themselves. Is it possible that, theoretically, some types of spirits could be servitors/thought forms that the ancients created, and have reproduced themselves over the years?

I suppose servitors can duplicate themselves if you wished them too. However, even in theory there is no way servitors from ancient times still exist. Which groups even created them, do we know with historical accuracy? Either way, once the creator dies the servitor dies.

[dancing-with-dragons]

Ok thanks!
But what about shared servitors, like fotomecus? He couldn't be bound to just the will of one person, could he?
Also, could you define "thought form"?
What would you call something like Santa Claus, who gets plenty of energy from millions of people? Do such entities, (if that's what they are) have a mind of their own?
I am looking to create servitors who are free thinking, with limitations, and who will stay with my family line after I'm gone. But after reading your answer, it seems like that's impossible. But is there something else I can try?

[DawningSun777]

But what about shared servitors, like fotomecus? He couldn't be bound to just the will of one person, could he?

I have not idea what "fotomecus" is. I suppose you could share a servitor, simply by multiple people knowing and working with the same entity. If you get down to it though, they will always be separate entities, no matter how similar. Two individuals can never picture the exact same entity; the look, the feel, the way it acts, etc.

Also, could you define "thought form"?

Aren't they synonyms?

What would you call something like Santa Claus, who gets plenty of energy from millions of people? Do such entities, (if that's what they are) have a mind of their own?

Of course not, Santa Claus does not exist. Existence is a prerequisite for having a mind and will.

I am looking to create servitors who are free thinking, with limitations, and who will stay with my family line after I'm gone. But after reading your answer, it seems like that's impossible. But is there something else I can try?

For free thinking, that is going to be impossible. As for family lines, teach your kids about the servitor, though as stated above, after you are are dead the servitor your kids work with will be different.

[dancing-with-dragons]

Thanks for the reply!

But I think I must disagree on one point you made. Even if servitors cannot be self willed, there is something you can create that is sentient, alive, and self willed. They are called Tulpae (Tulpa sing. ) and take many hours to create. They are companions, rather than servants and can be "imposed" onto your 5 pysical senses. I have not created one, but I may in the future.

[DawningSun777]

Thanks for the reply!

But I think I must disagree on one point you made. Even if servitors cannot be self willed, there is something you can create that is sentient, alive, and self willed. They are called Tulpae (Tulpa sing. ) and take many hours to create. They are companions, rather than servants and can be "imposed" onto your 5 pysical senses. I have not created one, but I may in the future.

There certainly are sentient, self willed companions you can create: children. A strictly magickal being will never be independent of the Creator's mind.

[DeclareInsane]

I've never ever charged a servitor and they work like clockwork. Many put this emphasis on charging but it's believed that this practice comes from other magick groups and they brought that into chaos magick. So they weren't chaos magickians but started practicing it and brought that practice with them. But if it works for you then use it. This is similar with sigils. Masturbating has very little to do with charging and more to do with reaching a state of gnosis where the sigil can be imprinted in the subconscious directly. For servitors you need to breathe life into them by connecting on every level with them.

This is what I did to create servitors as I was train but I changed a few things to make it personal...

All I did with servitors was create them by choosing an unusual created name based on what they can do. Then I thought of what form they would take, how they would looked which is connected to their specialty. E.g. a leprechaun for money matters but that's your choice. Then I looked up some leprechaun pics and found one I liked. Then you can add other attributes if you want. Finally I banished myself for the duration of the ritual because you don't want to bring in your beliefs, thoughts, emotions, doubt, fears into your rituals because some of these might sabotage your magickal work. Then I performed my magickal self ritual to summon my magickal supreme self. In the power circle I gave birth to my servitor. Called it by name, visualized it, taught it what it's purpose is and how I'd summon it and how I'd release it when I want it to go do something. Then I'd play with it, visualize it running up and down my back, sitting on my hand. This makes it real to your mind and believable to you. Then I close the ritual. Whenever I needed it to do something I'd do the ritual and summon it then command it and send it to do its work. Once a week I'd summon them all and interact with them just for fun. Interesting that one of my servitors actually grow in size, I found it weird and fun.

To answer your other questions:
Servitors can do anything as long as you intent is constructed correctly.

Yes I've created servitors that can put thoughts in others minds, doesn't always work but well enough when I need it to. Also you don't put thoughts into someones mind rather you put intentions into they mind. Like I'd tell my servitor to get my friend to come over instead of me going to visit them as I promised. And it works, either instantly or after 30 - 40 minutes. You can't also read someones mind but you can read their intentions. And you use your servitors to do that. My first servitor was based on that. I remember a while after creating my servitor for that purpose I was sitting by my computer and suddenly I smelled my friend scent. I didn't even realize he smelled like that but when I smelled it I knew it was his scent because I was like why am I smelling Ricky? But he was nowhere near and I found it odd. After about 20 minutes a knock at the door and to me surprise it was him. So he was probably planning to visit and my servitor informed me.

There are other techniques but this worked and still works for me. You should experiment and find your own personal way of creating servitors.

Hope this brings you closer to finding your own way... [thumbup]

[shmatka]

Hi,

Then I performed my magickal self ritual to summon my magickal supreme self.

Could someone pm me with some info regarding the above? I've searched and I have found nothing useful.

Thanks

[DeclareInsane]

@shmatka

I'll just post it here instead of pm so everyone can read it. This is what I've been taught, research and discovered. So it's not set in stone but who cares if it works really well, that's chaos magick. I know this most likely not going to be the answer most seek because it's not candy coated with mysticism and supernatural but as chaos magickian we are pragmatists before mystics. [crazy]

Picture your favorite singer. This person instinctively and intuitively knows what makes a great singer and they've gained that through experience, training and knowledge. The combination of all this is 2nd nature to this individual. It's almost like they born with it. So all these skills and attributes is what makes this person a great singer.

Now let us look at ourselves. At this very moment do you have all the attributes, knowledge and training to successfully perform all your rituals, spells or manifest anything you want? No, because you are not fine tuned like the singer to perform your job with great success. So you need to create that
persona and discard all other attributes that may hindered. The combination of skills, training, knowledge and attributes needed to successfully perform your magick is your supreme magickal self, the epitome of magickal self.

The great thing about magick and particularly chaos magick is that you don't need to have the knowledge to know what skills or attributes you need. You can simply allow your subconscious to construct the perfect magickal self and manifest it through ritual. The subconscious is the creation mechanism while the conscious subjects your will. You can wear this magickal self like a favorite item of clothing when you need it just put it on. There are various ways of creating and summoning magickal self.

Now I wonder why many chaos magickians wear special robes or cloaks? Could it be that the supreme magickal self is associated with that cloak and by wearing it they summon/trigger the supreme magickal self?

[shmatka]

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