Greetings!... and ritual question

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Original post: sod

I hope to learn and add to this forum.

This question will probably give you a clue to where I am at in my magickal work: I can't find good instruction on specific "needs" ritual. I do not have a particular goal in mind, just generally speaking....after doing LBRP, Middle Pillar and learning to be proficient and gaining results there, I always feel too awkward to try and devise a ritual if I want to do one for a particular purpose in mind.
I mean, for instance, as an example, let's say I need a job (this is an example since I am employed and happy at my job). But I decide I want to use ritual (within the context of ritual as it has come down to us thru the western tradition) to facilitate my will to land the job that is best for me.
Well, I feel kind of awkward were I to want to attempt that. Because, honestly, I don't know what to do. I mean, I know it is more than standing in a consecrated circle and "praying" for a job. So what are the steps and the process? I guess this makes me look uncreative, and that a good magician will know what to do, but I am just looking for some nudges. Do I need to write down what I am going to say, devise my own ritual? If not already devised, I am a bit hesitant to try to ad lib in the circle in the middle of a ritual and come up empty. Also, I don't want to end up having a "ritual" that ends up being nothing more than a "prayer session" for what I want. That is why I have never attempted to do ritual for specific needs and wants, because I can't get my head around what should be happening, and I don't want to get "religious" about seeking "answers to my prayers" or that frame of mind.

Thanks! Please share as much as you can.

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Original post: Frater C.

You could check out Regardie's "The Art of True Healing". The chapters titled "Using the Astrological Structure" and "Using Astrological Correspondences" contain a simple technique which combined with the Middle Pillar Exercise is used for causing material or psychological effects, such as getting a new job, money, health, will-power, etc.

The book can be found here:

http://www.servantsofthelight.org/knowl ... aling.html

Other occult techniques for accomplishing the same effects would be to make a talisman or evoke an appropriate spirit.

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Original post: sod

[QUOTE=Frater C.;259405]You could check out Regardie's "The Art of True Healing". The chapters titled "Using the Astrological Structure" and "Using Astrological Correspondences" contain a simple technique which combined with the Middle Pillar Exercise is used for causing material or psychological effects, such as getting a new job, money, health, will-power, etc.

The book can be found here:

http://www.servantsofthelight.org/knowl ... aling.html

Other occult techniques for accomplishing the same effects would be to make a talisman or evoke an appropriate spirit.[/QUOTE]

I will have to get that book then!

I do not want to be led by the hand, or maybe I do, but what is the best resource for learning how to evoke appropriate spirits? Like what are the words? Do I make up the words? What are the visualizations? If I do evoke the appropriate spirit, do I need a triangle?

I guess I am under the delusion the info must be somewhere on the net, but it appears finding the right book is still the best way to go. Any other recommendations besides the I.R. book...anyone?

Outside of doing the LBRP and Middle Pillar -which I practice - outside of that, I get perplexed at more elaborate structures. If that makes it sound like I don't have the karma to be a magican, that may be true. All I can do is press ahead though. Not worry about things like my lack of potential or lack of results.
I don't have an Allan Bennet in my life. That is why I am asking here.

I would have no idea where to begin if I wanted to evoke a spirit in a triangle. I read what is available, but it seems like so much is (maybe intentionally) not given on the complete step by step, so that I would be at a loss of what to do after drawing a circle and a triangle, and the names, candles, etc. I have gotten to that point, looked around, and said to myself that I have no clue what I am doing, and would not know what to do once I entered the circle. It was not fear...I had only research kind of mind-set...so it was nothing like fear. Just more like a realization I don't have the knowledge that comes from being taught, so there is nothing there - confidence thru knowledge - with which to proceed. So I aborted before going into the circle.
Again, if it sounds like I am a dullard because I can't figure it out on my own, well, I won't argue the point - except that dullards like me should be given a chance to figure it out.

I am trying to figure out how to be creative without resorting to ending up merely "praying" in the circle and falsely calling it a "magick" ritual.

I am looking to be led by the hand.

I have searched the internet for something helpful, and can find loads of info and yet empty of any clear cut examples. Maybe I am not adept enough at picking up the clues. Okay, then I guess that is another strike against my magickal abilities. But until someone with authority tells me to give it up since I am not cut out for it, I have to keep trying.

So can anyone kind of babysit me? Or guru me? Or tell me to give it up - of course I would need someone who has met me in the flesh, before I could take their advice to give it up to be given serious consideration.

Thank you.

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Original post: Sauriel

In the beginning I was just as confused as you and more often than not just prayed in the circle with little afterwards to show for it.
The key to a successful working is in how you structure your mind during ritual. If you are already gaining results from the LBRP and the MP then you already know how to harness and direct energy. The knowledge that you seem to be lacking is in the proper use of tools and symbols.
To paraphrase Peter Carrol, the part of the mind that directs magick is the subconscious. The subconscious is unable to perceive rational linear thought, instead it relies on a complex weaving of symbols in order to speak, as dreams can attest to.
In order to work directly with that part of the mind one must use symbolism. The trick is that each person develops their own lexicon of symbols that is unique to each individual. i.e. One friend of mine used snakes to represent her sexual power, while another friend uses them to represent pure terror.
There are a lot of theories out there that state that certain symbols have certain innate power, but one doesn't need to know those theories to use magick. If you wish to gain direct results such as getting a job, you need to imbue your enviroment with the proper symbols while working the mojo. This triggers the subconscious to direct the energy in the proper direction.
The symbols you use are a matter of personal choice, but there are a large number of premade symbols that have been being used for a very long time by thousands of people all with the same or similiar meanings in mind. It is likely easiest to start with these premade symbols before trying to create your own.
Say you need a job. Tradition says that Jupiter is the planetary influence that controls money. Knowing that you could place the seal of Jupiter on your altar and call on the intellegence of the planet to imbue your rite. The flashing colors of Jupiter are blue and orange, so you could drape cloth in these colors over the working area. You could take the kamea of Jupiter and draw a sigil on it representing the type of job you wanted. The day of Jupiter is thursday, so you could perform the ritual on a thursday preferably during a waxing moon in order to represent increase. ect. I tend to focus on planetary magick currently, but this is only an example of the countless ways you can use symbols to acheive your goal.
Having a filing system of symbols like the tree of life or the alphabet of desire is very helpful, but in the end what matters is what the symbols mean to you. In magick all things are symbol, every tool, every movement and sound, they are all used to help focus the mind and direct the called up energy in the proper direction.
If you have any questions about what I wrote, ask and either I will answer when time permits or one of the other knowledgeable people on this board likely will. magick is a complex subject, so don't be afraid to ask if something confuses you.
Hopefully this helps.

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Original post: Tiro DvD

@sod
You may want to try reading the following thread by Rin that is very informative.

FAQ: How Do I Write a Spell?

Of course it may not help you because you want concrete step-by-step examples of rituals for specific goals. However this is a problem since tailored spells are like driving a car (from point A to B) or using a computer. E.g. to get to the gas station, pull out your driveway, go down main street, make a left at the light and pull into the gas station. However it is nearly impossible to also specifically give the instructions to watch out for cars, release the gas when you come close to another car so you don't crash, you have to press the break before the stop sign, you have to drive on X side of the road, turn your whell right X degrees "slowly" while turning, etc. What makes matters worse IMHO is that most posted spells are very simple where the introductory "preparations" of Pentagrams, Hexagrams, Watch Towers, etc. are longer than the working itself. The only examples of non blurb type rituals where the examples to using Z-2 in Regardie's Golden Dawn which aren't found online, and the Cicero's Self-Initiation Neophyte Ritual.

My only last tidbit is that spells that are for "something" rather than a standard procedure like charging a talisman or evoking a spirit, involves acting out something so that the ideas are incorporated into reality, i.e. sympathetic magic. What differentiate Ceremonial from non is how grand and pompous (in a good way) the rite is performed. E.g. stabbing a doll vs. reenacting Orestes killing Clytemnestra. And what separate Ceremonial from Chaos is whether its part of popular culture e.g. Kristin shooting J.R.

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Original post: Sheosyrath

That situation would seem perfect for sigil magick, but then again, this isn't the Chaos Magick forum, and I know I need to remember that. Hehehe. Seriously, look up Sigil Magick. That's what you want for this sort of thing.

I ran into many of the same problems you are until I stumbled across Chaos Magick one day. If you really really want to be CREATIVE, that's where you should be. Like someone above me said, rituals are like driving a car, they get you from point A to point B, and since you want to get to point G12, well, you're a little ways off. It sounds like you have a fairly good grasp for what you're doing, if you've done lots of LBRP and Middle Pillar work, so even writing your own ritual would probably yield results. All you've gotta do is be confident. Anyways, yea.

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Try the book New Avatar Power for simple goal oriented rituals that beginners can do and are still very effective.