new to this and need help
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misguided11989
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new to this and need help
I need help I wish to sell my soul but have neither the resources or the money to get them what do I do
Re: new to this and need help
Hello Misguided11989,
I'm not sure what brought you to the point that you would consider this an option, but, I'm sure it's not good. Your choices and your path are your own and all or anyone else can do is offer you some points to consider.
This discussion arises on occasion on the Forum. There are those who have attempted to undertake this practice and have gotten nowhere and there are others who have had, by virtue of drawing these darker forces into their lives in an unbalanced way, unpleasant side-effects. Some of the more advanced here will tell you they know of people who have made such a deal and regretted it. None of these are in my personal experience but based on what I do know and what I do think I have deep doubts that this operation would be what you believe.
Pacts with the Devil have their origin in the tortured confessions of those unfortunate enough to be arrested by the Inquisition or Witch Hunters in the Middle Ages and later. If has a red hot clamp burning into your thigh you will tell them whatever they want to hear. This is the source of the stories in books like the Compendium Maleficarum or the Malleus Maleficarum. In the actual Medieval and Renaissance Grimoires used by serious Ceremonial Magicians there is no such thing as a Pact with the Devil. These magicians used the power of God to put the demons to work for them, they did not offer to be the demons' lunch and hope to get something out of it. It's only after the disaster of the Thirty Year's War that basically devastated central Europe and discredited the Christian God that these types of texts begin to appear.
The spirits of various types are not as hard to get as people may think. This is one of the things that has surprised me. So, if you mange to contact some chaotic or dark entity and approach it in an unbalanced manner or by offering yourself to it then you have no leverage. All they want from you is to use your astral and etheric bodies as a food source and to manipulate your emotions in such a manner as to be a snack. Whatever your problems may be right now, do you really want to add to them?
A broadcast for you to consider:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/the-hermet ... en-and-now
I'm not sure what brought you to the point that you would consider this an option, but, I'm sure it's not good. Your choices and your path are your own and all or anyone else can do is offer you some points to consider.
This discussion arises on occasion on the Forum. There are those who have attempted to undertake this practice and have gotten nowhere and there are others who have had, by virtue of drawing these darker forces into their lives in an unbalanced way, unpleasant side-effects. Some of the more advanced here will tell you they know of people who have made such a deal and regretted it. None of these are in my personal experience but based on what I do know and what I do think I have deep doubts that this operation would be what you believe.
Pacts with the Devil have their origin in the tortured confessions of those unfortunate enough to be arrested by the Inquisition or Witch Hunters in the Middle Ages and later. If has a red hot clamp burning into your thigh you will tell them whatever they want to hear. This is the source of the stories in books like the Compendium Maleficarum or the Malleus Maleficarum. In the actual Medieval and Renaissance Grimoires used by serious Ceremonial Magicians there is no such thing as a Pact with the Devil. These magicians used the power of God to put the demons to work for them, they did not offer to be the demons' lunch and hope to get something out of it. It's only after the disaster of the Thirty Year's War that basically devastated central Europe and discredited the Christian God that these types of texts begin to appear.
The spirits of various types are not as hard to get as people may think. This is one of the things that has surprised me. So, if you mange to contact some chaotic or dark entity and approach it in an unbalanced manner or by offering yourself to it then you have no leverage. All they want from you is to use your astral and etheric bodies as a food source and to manipulate your emotions in such a manner as to be a snack. Whatever your problems may be right now, do you really want to add to them?
A broadcast for you to consider:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/the-hermet ... en-and-now
Re: new to this and need help
Besides what's already been said, what would you even hope to gain from selling your soul? And how do you know the "devil" would hold up his end of the deal? Anything that would offer you a deal for your soul I imagine would not be very trustworthy. then when it comes time to pay up (assuming what you're asking is even possible) what do you think would happen to you? You ARE your soul, it's not just something to trade away.
Assuming it's possible, anything you get in such an exchange would be worthless in the end. Say you do become rich and powerful, a god among men, you're still going to die one day. What would be the point in trading your soul for something that you'll only be able to enjoy for the short amount of time you're on earth? This lifetime is no time at all if you look at the big picture. Even if you got everything you ever dreamed, the consequences of such a deal would outweigh any benefits by A LOT.
If you want to get into the occult, there's no reason you would need to sell your soul anyways. If you want help finding a place to start there are plenty of people here that would be willing to point you in the right direction. But there's no easy way, it'll involve a lot of study and practice. And it's important to understand that real magic is nothing like in the movies and books and all that; it won't make you rich and powerful, shoot fireballs, or turn lead into gold; there's no selling your soul or sacrificing virgins or any of that nonsense.
Assuming it's possible, anything you get in such an exchange would be worthless in the end. Say you do become rich and powerful, a god among men, you're still going to die one day. What would be the point in trading your soul for something that you'll only be able to enjoy for the short amount of time you're on earth? This lifetime is no time at all if you look at the big picture. Even if you got everything you ever dreamed, the consequences of such a deal would outweigh any benefits by A LOT.
If you want to get into the occult, there's no reason you would need to sell your soul anyways. If you want help finding a place to start there are plenty of people here that would be willing to point you in the right direction. But there's no easy way, it'll involve a lot of study and practice. And it's important to understand that real magic is nothing like in the movies and books and all that; it won't make you rich and powerful, shoot fireballs, or turn lead into gold; there's no selling your soul or sacrificing virgins or any of that nonsense.
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PitBehemoth
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Re: new to this and need help
no spirit, Angel, or demon, is interested in your soul. compared to them your human soul is worth nothing. if anything they would want your physical body to manifest themselves in the causal realm. and that road ends in madness and death.
He, who sits in the dark, is the bringer of light.
Agios ischyros Baphomet!
Agios athanatos
Agios ischyros Baphomet!
Agios athanatos
Re: new to this and need help
"Shot fireballs" There are so many people who should be so grateful this is impossible who have crossed my path!
As to the soul, I do not believe personally that a soul is something one must keep folded in a drawer and if it gets dirty take it to a Catholic priest to be washed with the Sacrament of Confession or an item that can be sold on an astral E-Bay (A-Bay?). I think the soul is our point of consciousness, not the mind, but the central point of awareness of the mind. Further, I don't think this is really all that different from this point in angels or any other entity although I agree they have higher or broader perspectives than do we.
As to the soul, I do not believe personally that a soul is something one must keep folded in a drawer and if it gets dirty take it to a Catholic priest to be washed with the Sacrament of Confession or an item that can be sold on an astral E-Bay (A-Bay?). I think the soul is our point of consciousness, not the mind, but the central point of awareness of the mind. Further, I don't think this is really all that different from this point in angels or any other entity although I agree they have higher or broader perspectives than do we.
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PitBehemoth
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Re: new to this and need help
Actually, there is a rite for summoning lucifer that requires you to cleave in half a virgin black chicken at a crossroads. [tongue]insomni4c wrote:sacrificing virgins or any of that nonsense.
He, who sits in the dark, is the bringer of light.
Agios ischyros Baphomet!
Agios athanatos
Agios ischyros Baphomet!
Agios athanatos
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manofsands
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Re: new to this and need help
I'll give you $20.
YOU ARE
where your
ATTENTION IS
there is no need to push the river... it will flow on its own
where your
ATTENTION IS
there is no need to push the river... it will flow on its own
Re: new to this and need help
Hahahaha [rofl] good oneI'll give you $20.
lol yeah I guess there are still things like that around. I meant more like the horror movie thing with sacrificing human virgins and all that.Actually, there is a rite for summoning lucifer that requires you to cleave in half a virgin black chicken at a crossroads.[tongue]