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[Visrite]

Like I want immortality like highlander, or Daniel Jackson after he accends, or even like that of a god on the physical plane. Forever youthful, forever alive, unkillable, I essentially want to be a god or at least a demigod of some sort.

I'm a stewart of humanity and want to make sure our race doesn't kill itself.

[Desecrated]

Life for life.
Sacrifice another human and steal their life.

[Ramscha]

Carroll wrote in his Book Liber Null & Psychonaut three different rites of which he claims that they would make reincarnation of a master possible.

I will now quote what he wrote about reincarnation of a master of the occult arts:

REINCARNATION
Integral reincarnation is the final metamorphosis. It is the supreme
ritual of sex and death by which adepts attain to the degree
of master.
In the ordinary course of events, the personal aether and life
force of Kia disintegrate as the material body disintegrates. New
beings are built up from the pool of the universal life force in the
same way that they are built up from the universal pool of matter.
The personal life force then finds its way back into incarnation
broken up into millions of parts scattered into many beings.
The adept magician however will have so strengthened his
spirit by magic that it is possible for him to carry it over whole into
a new body. In an exceptional display of power it may even be
possible to retain specific memories in aether form. It is by such a
process that adepts achieve the final degree of mastership. The
supreme rituals of sex and death exist in three forms: the Red,
Black, and White Rites.

The Red Rite
This rite can only be performed by male adepts and is performed
when the adept's body has become very aged or damaged. The
adept takes a young, strong female and forms a powerful love bond
to her. He impregnates her and then during the early stages of the
pregnancy, within the first two months, he voluntarily ends his
present existence. The powers of the adept developed in astral
travel workings, coupled with the effects of the love bond to the
mother, cause a reincarnation into the developing fetus. Provision
is beforehand made for the security of the female and the reeducation
of the reincarnating master.

The Black Rite
This rite consists of the forceful entry of a spirit into the body of an
already inhabited being. It is both dangerous and unreliable and
used only in certain peculiar and desperate situations. It will
sometimes result in there being a double life force in one body, if
the invading spirit fails to displace the occupant. In this case the
victim will seem to have gone mad. In any case the memory of
the taken-over being remains, and the invading-being will have
to work through this. Of this rite I have been advised to say no
more. . . .

The White Rite
In this rite an integral reincarnation is achieved, but the receiving
body is a fetus randomly selected by the escaping spirit in astral
flight. In the event that one's friends, followers, and disciples
might be unable to locate one's new manifestation and ensure that
it receives a proper magical education, it may be wise to carry an
aetheric marker. At death some sigil emblematic of one's magical
aspiration is fiercely visualized. It may later be apparent to clairvoyant
perception in the aetheric constitution of the developing
infant, or it may serve to cause some recognition or affinity with
the symbol if it is perchance accidentally stumbled upon in the
new existence.

Now to my personal position about his statements:
I cannot say if his claims are correct or not as I have not performed either one of those 3 nor have I met or heard of anyone who did and was successful.
I can only say that I am sceptical about the way he describes it and how it shoudl work but maybe this is only because I don't believe in the way he sees possible reincarnation of a developed spirit. But my believes and knowledge are not of question here so I will leave it with this quote.

Ramscha

[justantonio]

As a child i had unintentionally or intentionally ( about 3 - 7 months old ) i had experienced the black rite, however i believe i must have experienced the "unreliability" of this "black rite" because my coinciousness was expelled back to my own body, it was weird i experienced his body by what mustve been his intention before losing control then when his string ended mine began and i managed a "blah blah blah" unaware of the meaning only the expressive sensation of showing my unawareness of the individual he had intended to interact with (an old friend of my dead grandmother) i really wish Carol had elaborated and not withheld information of this specific Black Rite [crazy] [crazy] [crazy] [crazy] [thumbup]

[justantonio]

Whoever that guy was must have looked [crazy] [rofl]

[Visrite]

Life for life.
Sacrifice another human and steal their life.

What about a cloned human?

I drained a man when I was a child. It's interesting to feel the life force of another get ubsorbed into you, especially when you weren't sure what you were doing.

[Visrite]

I'd gladly become undead to do this. Such as a litch or vampyre. But I'd prefer something closer to god hood.

Could I, forcefully push myself into someone else perminantly? Like my first born child?

[Ramscha]

What about a cloned human?

What is the question? A cloned Human is still a Human after all [wink] Besides the problem that under the current circumstances you would be hunted down in most countires for commiting a crime against humanity if you are going to clone a whole human being....

Could I, forcefully push myself into someone else perminantly? Like my first born child?

If you don't lack the ability to read, you may take a look again at the red rite [wink]

I'd gladly become undead to do this. Such as a litch or vampyre.

You watch too much TV.

But I'd prefer something closer to god hood.

What is god hood to you? There are many deities in different cultures names as gods, but they may differ greatly in attributes and appearance...

[Visrite]

Actually I did a research paper in college on vampyres and don't watch tv. At all. That's how they get you. [crazy]

It ended up 25 pages and I'm pretty sure they are or at least were real. Not like Hollywood though, those guys are idiots.

Yes but a cloned human is artificial, I'm unsure if it would receive the essence of a natural birth. Not to mention the sexual energy during coutus is huge!

God hood. Well for me, to have complete control of my reality. To make my own reality would be awesome, but I'll settle for Dr Manhattan basically.

[Visrite]

Also I still want this consciousness... So suicide isn't for me.

[Circles]

Work out how to stop the degradation of your DNA during replication and how to induce neuroregeneration and you'll be on your way.

[Visrite]

Work out how to stop the degradation of your DNA during replication and how to induce neuroregeneration and you'll be on your way.

There is a scientist already working on that and he's had promising results. But I'd like to be able to be shot by a tank and survive also.

[Circles]

Your body is made of matter, it has limitations. You would need to either find a way to get a new body that surpasses these limitations or find a way reconstruct your body after it has been smushed to pieces by an explosive shell, which I guess would require whatever constitutes as "you" to exist outside of your body while retaining the ability to control matter in the required fashion as presumptuously your brain will also be reduced to dust by the explosion.

Whatever the answer may be, I'd be curious as to the results as so far as we're aware no one has managed to solve this problem in their lifetime or if they have, the likeliness of them hanging out on this particular occult forum let alone being willing to tell you how to do it seems pretty slim..

Edit: Thinking about this more, maybe it would be simpler to master being able consciously exist outside your body with the ability to steal any body at will, this would give you the same result as immortality, just keep stealing bodies when the one you're in is no longer performing as required. I can't say I condone this behavior in any way though.

[Visrite]

We can debate ethics if you like?

I seek truth to questions, the bluntness is appreciated. For being blown up I can think of an enchantment to use or possibly you could create a thought form to accomplish moving your essence upon death? Or create a new body with a thought form?

[RoseRed]

Out of sheer morbid curiosity - why do you think that your ideas are better than the natural order of things?

[Visrite]

Out of sheer morbid curiosity - why do you think that your ideas are better than the natural order of things?

I have my view of what the natural order of things are. I've based this on observation and experimentation. I'm here asking more experienced peers what they think. Please don't miss understand, in all the threads I've been talking in I've been reflecting on what you all say, and bounce around ideas of my perceptions and understandings. I understand that my will and intent control my perception of reality. That all this 'ritual' is to help focus our will and intent to tell the universe what we want to happen.

Until here on this forum I have yet to meet anyone to discuss such subjects with as I'm assuming I've found only posers before because they would always run away and never respond. It's refreshing to actually have others to talk to. I've appreciated every response I've received, if any of you feel different I appoligizes for my arigence. (and my spelling [crazy])

[RoseRed]

Out of sheer morbid curiosity - why do you think that your ideas are better than the natural order of things?

I have my view of what the natural order of things are. I've based this on observation and experimentation. I'm here asking more experienced peers what they think. Please don't miss understand, in all the threads I've been talking in I've been reflecting on what you all say, and bounce around ideas of my perceptions and understandings. I understand that my will and intent control my perception of reality. That all this 'ritual' is to help focus our will and intent to tell the universe what we want to happen.

Until here on this forum I have yet to meet anyone to discuss such subjects with as I'm assuming I've found only posers before because they would always run away and never respond. It's refreshing to actually have others to talk to. I've appreciated every response I've received, if any of you feel different I appoligizes for my arigence. (and my spelling [crazy])

I understand that my will and intent control my perception of reality. That all this 'ritual' is to help focus our will and intent to tell the universe what we want to happen.

THIS shows how much you really don't understand. I just posted in the other thread and I'll share it in this one as well. You have grand ideas but no understanding of the basic 101 stuff. You can't reach the pinnacle until you learn how to climb a ladder.

If you're serious and actually want to learn my advice would be:

- lose the Fing attitude already. The Dom thing may work in your little corner of the world - it does not go over well on occult forums - especially from a novice. Hell, a beginner. (that's from the other post) Heed my advice or don't. You make your own choices.

- read through the older posts and start learning about the 101 stuff. Then you can ask questions that won't take 5 pages to answer. That's one of the reasons that you're not getting your questions answered.



It's a wonderful thing to have a community of people to talk with about these types of things.

[Procel]

Like I want immortality like highlander, or Daniel Jackson after he accends, or even like that of a god on the physical plane. Forever youthful, forever alive, unkillable, I essentially want to be a god or at least a demigod of some sort.

I'm a stewart of humanity and want to make sure our race doesn't kill itself.

It has been postulated that a big piece of "god-hood" comes from the power of being worshiped. In short, the theory is that gods gain power from the focused consciousness of their followers. Have you considered starting a cult? I'm not saying that is a good or admirable path, but I'm not the morality police. Maybe read Dantalion Jones "Building Your Cult" for some thought provoking material. It won't fulfill your grandiose illusion of overseeing humanity for all the ages, won't make you immortal or invincible; but if you want to taste the power of the gods, you need followers.

Watch "Kumare", it's on netflix. In short, a guy admires the benefits people get from faith but isn't religious himself. He wonders if people would get the same benefit from a completely made up faith; so he presents himself as a guru, gains a following, and records the whole thing for us to watch. It's well worth an hour or two of your life to see this movie.

It is my sincere hope that when you have explored the possibility, you will come to a wiser goal. Then again maybe you start something that grows larger than L Ron Hubbard's long con. Who knows. You will do as you will. For all I know, L Ron may have transcended on the wings of his followers' faith. No matter your course, the book and the movie I recommend are deeply thought provoking for anybody who cares to explore them.

[Asurendra]

Procel,

Don't encourage Visrite, Just let him chase his invisible tail till he gets tired of it.

[Visrite]

Ha, you underestimate my vril, ego, and will. If I have to take multiple paths to get there I'll get there. By any means necessary.

[lupenthewolf]

I just want to toss in my two cents here, but bear in mind that this is only my personal opinion and is not intended as insult or judgment on anyone else's ideas.

I think that pursuing immortality is, put bluntly, a waste of time. No one in record has ever achieved it, and although I believe it might be possible through magick it would be more a curse than a blessing. Assuming for a moment you could become immortal, to live forever would be a very painful and endless experience. People around you will age and die as you remain unchanged; you'll be forced to watch as anyone you love dies at the hands of an enemy you cannot fight for them, time. [cry]
You'll have to keep moving from place to place every few years if you want to live peacefully, otherwise those around you will notice your immortality. If you're found out you can say goodbye to blending in forever.

Not to mention the very high probability of endless boredom. If you had the ability to live forever and experience everything, do everything, then what would be left?

Then there's the little matter of entropy. Even if you could live forever the universe won't.

[corvidus]

I think that pursuing immortality is, put bluntly, a waste of time. No one in record has ever achieved it [. . .]

If 'Immortality' is simply the continuation of one consciousness after a great spiritual transformation, then this is what the so-called 'Ascended Masters' have achieved. Jesus and Saint Germaine come to mind, as well as some nameless in the East who have completed the so-called 'Immortal Fetus' through internal alchemy.

[manonthepath]

Visrite! You think you can just go online and ramble on and someone will share some of the most valuable secrets of the cosmos with you for free? Give me just one compelling reason why I should invest my time and energy to help you extend your life and youth. If you had more time, what would you even do with it? What are you doing with the time you actually have?

[lupenthewolf]

@ corvidus: That's not the kind of immortality that Visrite is asking for and I was responding to his opening post, but I find no flaw in your logic.

@ manonthepath: [rofl] [thumbup]

[Visrite]

Benevolent Emporer and Steward of Humanity, Earth, and Sol.