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[QUOTE=Rend Sever;364507]Autism has also been liked to childhood vaccinations, which from what I have seen has more merit than... wait, what is your point exactly?

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It is possible that it is not possible to explain what I'm talking about without trolling; however, consider, probably not too seriously:

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The Myth: Asclepius is the god of Healing. He is the son of Apollo and the nymph, Coronis. While pregnant with Asclepius, Coronis secretly took a second, mortal lover. When Apollo found out, he sent Artemis to kill her. While burning on the funeral pyre, Apollo felt pity and rescued the unborn child from the corpse. Asclepius was taught about medicine and healing by the wise centaur, Cheiron, and became so skilled in it that he succeeded in bringing one of his patients back from the dead. Zeus felt that the immortality of the Gods was threatened and killed the healer with a thunderbolt. At Apollo's request, Asclepius was placed among the stars as Ophiuchus, the serpent-bearer.
Consider the parallels to the book of Genesis. Modern medicine could be considered to be only killing death in the CONTEXT of death.

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When reading this, one should consider the, ahem...trickster archetype. If you don't get it, read read again. If you think you get it, read read again, as you might be even worse off than the person who "didn't get it".

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Wait wait, something's coming to me: the words "Phat" and "Illuminati" and "Jester" are coming to me... mean anything to you, OP? ;)

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I am not dying. I am going to find a way to stop aging. You begin to die when you accept death as unavoidable. Death is an illness, a sickness that one can cure.

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EyesOH;364632 wrote:Wait wait, something's coming to me: the words "Phat" and "Illuminati" and "Jester" are coming to me... mean anything to you, OP? ;)
At times overheard in conversation during numerous congregations of the Royal Order, a common activity among members is that of sexual intercourse with sheep or similar variants of the animal. It is not known exactly where this originated. Called "jesting", in the parlance of our times, penetration can be anal, vaginal, or bocal; if orgiastic jesting occurs, a numerical prefix is added - i.e., "di-jesting", "tri-jesting", etc. This act does not appear to be mandatory; experienced jesters will simply utter a few words of their endeavors, and if it sparks the interest of a newcomer, more details can be passed along.
Well I'll be, you learn something new every day.

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I feel it is necessary to protect myself by not allowing words to be seen as having power in my reality. This is just what I'm talking about for all of you, as a possible mirror.
An ironic post. Even to comment adds me to the language web building up on this thread and helps to widen the impasse to understanding....through the tool of language and the process of posting, the discussion is rendered impossible to understand...or perhaps it's meaning is all-encompassing, with myriad meanings according to the reader...everything and nothing... and inclusive (and simultaneously not inclusive) of the idea that language itself is the tool of satan.

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[QUOTE=Malachite;364838]An ironic post. Even to comment adds me to the language web building up on this thread and helps to widen the impasse to understanding....through the tool of language and the process of posting, the discussion is rendered impossible to understand...or perhaps it's meaning is all-encompassing, with myriad meanings according to the reader...everything and nothing... and inclusive (and simultaneously not inclusive) of the idea that language itself is the tool of satan.[/QUOTE]

To be honest this could all be seen as quite pernicious and I've made every attempt to state that I could be seen as a huge creep and made ample warnings about this, including that all this could be seen as a huge amount of bullshit, but it is due to experience that I type these things. Experience however, could be seen as a flawed indicator of truth, especially with a radically subjective view of reality. This is only to point out a possible certain phenomenon which I have encountered which may or may not be a cause of problems for some here.

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It should be noted that I have at points of my life thought of myself as an unwilling, demonically possessed servant of the Christian Devil with little free will in complete spiritual agony with no hope and only memories of what it is like to be free. I forgot to mention that.

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I think you're possessed by M. Night Shyamalan

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Ave,

The folly of the unknowing huh? The ones who regard their path as freedom yet only strengthen the faith they oppose in others. Seemingly, we speak about setting examples here I guess. When one acts 'evil', all one is doing is strengthening the idea of evil as seen in the opposition. Is this a correct conclusion? I think so. This actually ties in nicely with another thread in this sub forum... regarding the idea of Satanism. If one adheres to the form of Satanism as proclaimed by the church, then all one is doing is proving them right... in essence it is anathema.

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[QUOTE=LoD;364868]Ave,

The folly of the unknowing huh? The ones who regard their path as freedom yet only strengthen the faith they oppose in others. Seemingly, we speak about setting examples here I guess. When one acts 'evil', all one is doing is strengthening the idea of evil as seen in the opposition. Is this a correct conclusion? I think so. This actually ties in nicely with another thread in this sub forum... regarding the idea of Satanism. If one adheres to the form of Satanism as proclaimed by the church, then all one is doing is proving them right... in essence it is anathema.

Blessings,

LoD[/QUOTE]

Well it is obvious that to escape from the trap of good and evil, aligning one with evil is not the answer. There is however, the question of completeness: if one does not have a self, or an all encompassing self, which is the same as not having a self once one really examines the idea, then encompassing both the extreme limits of both "good" and "evil" would simply bring completeness. It is of course not necessary to act at the extreme limits, only to recognize them as they are without saying "yeah, I couldn't do that." Of course "you" could, "not you" has already has been doing them. So if we get rid of "you"...man, look at what "not you" has been doing all this time...yikes!

Edit: And this is where we recognize how insane we really are ;)

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if one does not have a self, or an all encompassing self, which is the same as not having a self once one really examines the idea, then encompassing both the extreme limits of both "good" and "evil" would simply bring completeness.
jpenthol, working, as you have here, from the assumption that there is no self, what would there be to complete?

Surely the opposite of what you say here would make more sense, in that if you were working from an agreed reality standpoint, i.e. that there are seperate consciousnesses with physical bodies existing in a physical reality, then completeness of each self would involve encompassing both good and evil concepts (and everything in between). As you have suggested, the morality of each individual would then dictate which concepts were acted out and which were filtered for storage.

Further to this, if there is self there is subjectivity, and in this case good and evil would exist purely because we behold (or project) them....As with beauty, we could then say "Evil is in the eye of the beholder", or "Good is in the eye of the beholder".

Language is myriad and complex, rather than serving one particular end, it is interlaced with so many 'ends' that the beginning (the meaning) is simply a projection...and only then if you work from the assumption that there is a self; if you do not subscribe to the view that there is a self, there can be no good or evil.

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[QUOTE=Malachite;365088]jpenthol, working, as you have here, from the assumption that there is no self, what would there be to complete?

Surely the opposite of what you say here would make more sense, in that if you were working from an agreed reality standpoint, i.e. that there are seperate consciousnesses with physical bodies existing in a physical reality, then completeness of each self would involve encompassing both good and evil concepts (and everything in between). As you have suggested, the morality of each individual would then dictate which concepts were acted out and which were filtered for storage.

Further to this, if there is self there is subjectivity, and in this case good and evil would exist purely because we behold (or project) them....As with beauty, we could then say "Evil is in the eye of the beholder", or "Good is in the eye of the beholder".

Language is myriad and complex, rather than serving one particular end, it is interlaced with so many 'ends' that the beginning (the meaning) is simply a projection...and only then if you work from the assumption that there is a self; if you do not subscribe to the view that there is a self, there can be no good or evil.[/QUOTE]

If we start from the idea of a "self", which is what pretty much everyone is born into, we could either at some point try to expand this self to encompass everything (and thus realize that the concept is a moot point; if the self encompasses everything, then why not just say "everything" instead of self?) We are left simply with what is, in the end. If we start from the idea of a self, and shrink it down to nothing, once again we are simply left with what is.

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You sound like you have been reading far too much Nietzsche.

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[QUOTE=jpenthol;365109]If we start from the idea of a "self", which is what pretty much everyone is born into, we could either at some point try to expand this self to encompass everything (and thus realize that the concept is a moot point; if the self encompasses everything, then why not just say "everything" instead of self?) We are left simply with what is, in the end. If we start from the idea of a self, and shrink it down to nothing, once again we are simply left with what is.[/QUOTE]
Well yes, "You Are What You Is" ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ay5S6hWJI

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What's your story Jpenthol?

I'm amazed at how many posts you've made on this site already.

It seem like your an intelligentsia that really practices self-development.

I've tried to PM you but Occultforum told me your username doesn't exist.

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