Is Clauneck a good Demon to summon for wealth?

[Privatechief117]

I plan on doing a pact with a demon this coming Friday. I believe, through my research, that Clauneck is the demon i want to summon for wealth and money. My question to you is, when I ask for money, will it show up immediately, or over time? would i need to specify how and when i get the money? Also, what is a good "offer" to give him in return for his services?

Also, since we're here, would it be possible to summon Lilith and ask her to make me a vampire? a certain type of vampire.

Sorry, if this seems vague, im just really nervous.

[fraterai]

Pacts are more of a Demonolatry thing, and I don't think many practitioners here practice that. But, if you don't get clear terms of the pact (this answers your first question - could be either, its up to the demon and the pact), you'll never know if it will be *poof* money or over a what you consider to be a long period. Your pact can be as specific or as vague as you please, both have consequences. One gives the Demon more leeway to make it work but can lead to something you maybe weren't thinking, while the other can be too constricting for the demon and maybe it wasn't really what you wanted and you're stuck with details. So what I mean here is you will either need to state everything you want in an actual, written pact, OR work your ritual 1, 10, 100, or 1000 times until you truly communicate with your Demon and it tells you the details.

Most Demonolatry revolves around "worshiping" (working is a better word) the Demon, much like any Pagan or even the occultists here work with Deities. Basically, you do some daily or weekly practices with the Demon, like meditating on his sigil and burning incense.

After writing that paragraph, I can see that Demonolatry really is just like every other occult practice and probably takes time and practice to get results. People who make dramatic pacts and get instant results probably do so under highly emotionally charges circumstances and I can't really say for certain how often these manifest good (or any) results.

Sorry I don't know anything about your chosen entity, but if you google Demonolatry you will find a lot of information about people who have worked this very theory of magic.

Lilith is insanely powerful and will probably give you anything you want, if you give Her what She wants. I like to suggest Hecate to (excuse me) noobs who really want to work with Lilith. There is tons of approachable information and rituals connected with Hecate that will probably lead to greater successes, and from there you can work with H to help you with L

[the_spiral]

I don't work the Goetia personally so hopefully you'll get more specific information from those who do but I can speak from general evocation experience. Clauneck is known as one of the "friendlier" Goetics. Spirits often do not give you things directly but alter circumstances around you to make things happen, usually in a way that signals it came from their direct influence rather than coincidence. So for example, you might get a pay raise or unexpected gift in the exact amount you requested. And this is one reason to be very specific with the wording of any pacts, to avoid money coming through undesirable channels such as inheritances from the deaths of loved ones. So yes, be polite and respectful but also precise and assertive. The time frame is not up to you but up to the spirit to do its work, but putting an outer limit on time is a good idea provided the spirit agrees to it. And you need to work out terms with the spirit directly. Many of them like it if you publicly hail them along with a libation and some service they need performed. But always remember they will not be cheated. You will pay exactly the price of the work, sooner or later.

Nervousness is not a beneficial quality when evoking demons. So deal with that before anything else.

And as for your other question....huh? Say more... [stare]

[Privatechief117]

Thank you to both of you for your fast replies and help. I really do appreciate it. Taking from what you both said, my questions have been answered. I shall proceed to either summon Lilith or Hecate (more research will be done today).

[Privatechief117]

Pacts are more of a Demonolatry thing, and I don't think many practitioners here practice that. But, if you don't get clear terms of the pact (this answers your first question - could be either, its up to the demon and the pact), you'll never know if it will be *poof* money or over a what you consider to be a long period. Your pact can be as specific or as vague as you please, both have consequences. One gives the Demon more leeway to make it work but can lead to something you maybe weren't thinking, while the other can be too constricting for the demon and maybe it wasn't really what you wanted and you're stuck with details. So what I mean here is you will either need to state everything you want in an actual, written pact, OR work your ritual 1, 10, 100, or 1000 times until you truly communicate with your Demon and it tells you the details.

Most Demonolatry revolves around "worshiping" (working is a better word) the Demon, much like any Pagan or even the occultists here work with Deities. Basically, you do some daily or weekly practices with the Demon, like meditating on his sigil and burning incense.

After writing that paragraph, I can see that Demonolatry really is just like every other occult practice and probably takes time and practice to get results. People who make dramatic pacts and get instant results probably do so under highly emotionally charges circumstances and I can't really say for certain how often these manifest good (or any) results.

Sorry I don't know anything about your chosen entity, but if you google Demonolatry you will find a lot of information about people who have worked this very theory of magic.

Lilith is insanely powerful and will probably give you anything you want, if you give Her what She wants. I like to suggest Hecate to (excuse me) noobs who really want to work with Lilith. There is tons of approachable information and rituals connected with Hecate that will probably lead to greater successes, and from there you can work with H to help you with L

I do have one more question for you. Now, I got this summoning chant from this other website (I'm sure you've heard of it, it's called "JoyOfSatan") anywho, the chant in question is what I'm concerned about. I'm hoping it's the correct way of summoning Lilith, but I'm not entirely sure. Here's the chant:

"Lord Satan, by your grace, grant me, I pray thee the power to conceive in my mind and to execute that which I desire to do, the end which I would attain by thy help, O Mighty Satan, the one True God who livest and reignest forever and ever. I entreat thee to inspire [name of Demon] to manifest before me that he/she may give me true and faithful answer, so that I may accomplish my desired end, provided that it is proper to his/her office. This I respectfully and humbly ask in Your Name, Lord Satan, may you deem me worthy, Father."

Also, should I say it in normal English, or in Latin?

[fraterai]

Alright let me jump on this before it gets out of hand, pretty much everyone here hates JoS. I do not personally loath this group so much (only their nazi tendencies). Just a warning, if you have questions about JOS stuff you should just take it to their forum.

But a quick answer comes with a question, why are you using Satan to summon L? It's not unheard of, but you made no mention of being a Satanist, Luciferian, etc.You should work with one entity first and build a connection with it, and then you can ask that one for help in working with others IF you want, and if you think they are mutually good together. It is not a bad mix to work with Satan, Lucifer, Lilith, Hecate, they are all related. However Lucifer and Hecate are the most well rounded and least "dark" (and dangerous). But pick one and work with it every day for at least a month

Your chant can be in any language and can even just be the entities name. You summon by the power of your will, emotions, desires, and beliefs, and not by a chant. Stick with English.

The best way is to learn as much as you can about the god, their myths, what they like, and then just sit down with them. If you are not into formal ritual there is little you need to actually do but put a genuine effort to connect with your entity