Religion and mythology
Religion and mythology
I'd like to know your opinion on the character of Pagan gods compared to the God of the Old and New Testament.
Some Pagan gods were more friendly than others towards humanity, but it seems that they had two faces and could both bless or curse you. What about the Judeo-Christian god? In the old Testament he seems so severe and sadistic that sometimes I wonder what the demons were for if God himself seemed to cover all the spectrum of blessings and punishments... In the New Testament it seems that God is love and Jesus doesn't seem to have two aspects and is pure goodness. In the folklore from Africa, Joseph Campbell describes a god with two faces that he showed on different days either blessing or cursing (the very same god was doble-natured). I wonder if you think that God is pure good and the devil pure evil, or devils can confere blessings (like in some Grimm's fairytales where Satan's grandma is protective towards the hero of the adventure).
Please give me your opinion and correct me if I exposed something wrong. Cheers [thumbup]
Some Pagan gods were more friendly than others towards humanity, but it seems that they had two faces and could both bless or curse you. What about the Judeo-Christian god? In the old Testament he seems so severe and sadistic that sometimes I wonder what the demons were for if God himself seemed to cover all the spectrum of blessings and punishments... In the New Testament it seems that God is love and Jesus doesn't seem to have two aspects and is pure goodness. In the folklore from Africa, Joseph Campbell describes a god with two faces that he showed on different days either blessing or cursing (the very same god was doble-natured). I wonder if you think that God is pure good and the devil pure evil, or devils can confere blessings (like in some Grimm's fairytales where Satan's grandma is protective towards the hero of the adventure).
Please give me your opinion and correct me if I exposed something wrong. Cheers [thumbup]
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Re: Religion and mythology
Both god an Jesus are a bunch of judgmental racist extremists. If you think jesus is about love you need to go back and re-read the gospels.
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Re: Religion and mythology
Hi Des,
Hehe, well I was raised a Catholic but it's true that my inclinations lay in the polytheistic pantheon... despite that I don't find much to say against Jesus. I don't understand how God in the Old Testament (teaming up with the devil himself) could let Job suffer that much, etc... but Jesus preaches on turning the other cheek, love thy enemy, etc...and I own a book that compares his teachings with a similar zen doctrine.
I don't see why you say Jesus (not Christians in general, but Jesus himself) is a racist extremist... Maybe you can quote some Gospel or put an example so I can understand your point of view :-) (I don't really read the Bible much, to be honest).
Hehe, well I was raised a Catholic but it's true that my inclinations lay in the polytheistic pantheon... despite that I don't find much to say against Jesus. I don't understand how God in the Old Testament (teaming up with the devil himself) could let Job suffer that much, etc... but Jesus preaches on turning the other cheek, love thy enemy, etc...and I own a book that compares his teachings with a similar zen doctrine.
I don't see why you say Jesus (not Christians in general, but Jesus himself) is a racist extremist... Maybe you can quote some Gospel or put an example so I can understand your point of view :-) (I don't really read the Bible much, to be honest).
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Re: Religion and mythology
In my opinion God and Devil is the same, in the sense that everything is the same.
Re: Religion and mythology
RockDemon wrote:In my opinion God and Devil is the same, in the sense that everything is the same.
Both of these, hehe.Desecrated wrote:Both god an Jesus are a bunch of judgmental racist extremists. If you think jesus is about love you need to go back and re-read the gospels.
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Re: Religion and mythology
Matthew 15:22
22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
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Matthew 10:5
5 Jesus sent them out with these instructions: “Don’t go to the Gentiles or the Samaritans, 6 but only to the people of Israel—God’s lost sheep.
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Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law
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Matthew 15 (it's okay to kill disrespectful children)
Jesus said: Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death
Mark 7:9
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
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This is pretty much the section that ISIS and other radicals use as an excuse for their actions:
Deuteronomy 7Living Bible (TLB)
7 “When the Lord brings you into the Promised Land, as he soon will, he will destroy the following seven nations, all greater and mightier than you are: the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, the Jebusites.
2 “When the Lord your God delivers them over to you to be destroyed, do a complete job of it—don’t make any treaties or show them mercy; utterly wipe them out. 3 Do not intermarry with them, nor let your sons and daughters marry their sons and daughters. 4 That would surely result in your young people’s beginning to worship their gods. Then the anger of the Lord would be hot against you, and he would surely destroy you.
5 “You must break down the heathen altars and shatter the obelisks and cut up the shameful images and burn the idols.
6 “For you are a holy people, dedicated to the Lord your God. He has chosen you from all the people on the face of the whole earth to be his own chosen ones. 7 He didn’t choose you and pour out his love upon you because you were a larger nation than any other, for you were the smallest of all! 8 It was just because he loves you, and because he kept his promise to your ancestors. That is why he brought you out of slavery in Egypt with such amazing power and mighty miracles.
9 “Understand, therefore, that the Lord your God is the faithful God who for a thousand generations keeps his promises and constantly loves those who love him and who obey his commands. 10 But those who hate him shall be punished publicly and destroyed. He will deal with them personally. 11 Therefore, obey all these commandments I am giving you today. 12 Because of your obedience, the Lord your God will keep his part of the contract which, in his tender love, he made with your fathers. 13 And he will love you and bless you and make you into a great nation. He will make you fertile and give fertility to your ground and to your animals, so that you will have large crops of grain, grapes, and olives, and great flocks of cattle, sheep, and goats when you arrive in the land he promised your fathers to give you. 14 You will be blessed above all the nations of the earth; not one of you, whether male or female, shall be barren, not even your cattle. 15 And the Lord will take away all your sickness and will not let you suffer any of the diseases of Egypt you remember so well; he will give them all to your enemies!
16 “You must destroy all the nations the Lord your God delivers into your hands. Have no pity, and do not worship their gods; if you do, it will be a sad day for you. 17 Perhaps you will think to yourself, ‘How can we ever conquer these nations that are so much more powerful than we are?’ 18 But don’t be afraid of them! Just remember what the Lord your God did to Pharaoh and to all the land of Egypt. 19 Do you remember the terrors the Lord sent upon them—your parents saw it with their own eyes—and the mighty miracles and wonders, and the power and strength of Almighty God that he used to bring you out of Egypt? Well, the Lord your God will use this same might against the people you fear. 20 Moreover, the Lord your God will send hornets to drive out those who hide from you!
21 “No, do not be afraid of those nations, for the Lord your God is among you, and he is a great and awesome God. 22 He will cast them out a little at a time; he will not do it all at once, for if he did, the wild animals would multiply too quickly and become dangerous. 23 He will do it gradually, and you will move in against those nations and destroy them. 24 He will deliver their kings into your hands, and you will erase their names from the face of the earth. No one will be able to stand against you.
25 “Burn their idols and do not touch the silver or gold they are made of. Do not take it or it will be a snare to you, for it is horrible to the Lord your God. 26 Do not bring an idol into your home and worship it, for then your doom is sealed. Utterly detest it, for it is a cursed thing.
22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
-----
Matthew 10:5
5 Jesus sent them out with these instructions: “Don’t go to the Gentiles or the Samaritans, 6 but only to the people of Israel—God’s lost sheep.
-----
Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law
-------
Matthew 15 (it's okay to kill disrespectful children)
Jesus said: Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death
Mark 7:9
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
----
This is pretty much the section that ISIS and other radicals use as an excuse for their actions:
Deuteronomy 7Living Bible (TLB)
7 “When the Lord brings you into the Promised Land, as he soon will, he will destroy the following seven nations, all greater and mightier than you are: the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, the Jebusites.
2 “When the Lord your God delivers them over to you to be destroyed, do a complete job of it—don’t make any treaties or show them mercy; utterly wipe them out. 3 Do not intermarry with them, nor let your sons and daughters marry their sons and daughters. 4 That would surely result in your young people’s beginning to worship their gods. Then the anger of the Lord would be hot against you, and he would surely destroy you.
5 “You must break down the heathen altars and shatter the obelisks and cut up the shameful images and burn the idols.
6 “For you are a holy people, dedicated to the Lord your God. He has chosen you from all the people on the face of the whole earth to be his own chosen ones. 7 He didn’t choose you and pour out his love upon you because you were a larger nation than any other, for you were the smallest of all! 8 It was just because he loves you, and because he kept his promise to your ancestors. That is why he brought you out of slavery in Egypt with such amazing power and mighty miracles.
9 “Understand, therefore, that the Lord your God is the faithful God who for a thousand generations keeps his promises and constantly loves those who love him and who obey his commands. 10 But those who hate him shall be punished publicly and destroyed. He will deal with them personally. 11 Therefore, obey all these commandments I am giving you today. 12 Because of your obedience, the Lord your God will keep his part of the contract which, in his tender love, he made with your fathers. 13 And he will love you and bless you and make you into a great nation. He will make you fertile and give fertility to your ground and to your animals, so that you will have large crops of grain, grapes, and olives, and great flocks of cattle, sheep, and goats when you arrive in the land he promised your fathers to give you. 14 You will be blessed above all the nations of the earth; not one of you, whether male or female, shall be barren, not even your cattle. 15 And the Lord will take away all your sickness and will not let you suffer any of the diseases of Egypt you remember so well; he will give them all to your enemies!
16 “You must destroy all the nations the Lord your God delivers into your hands. Have no pity, and do not worship their gods; if you do, it will be a sad day for you. 17 Perhaps you will think to yourself, ‘How can we ever conquer these nations that are so much more powerful than we are?’ 18 But don’t be afraid of them! Just remember what the Lord your God did to Pharaoh and to all the land of Egypt. 19 Do you remember the terrors the Lord sent upon them—your parents saw it with their own eyes—and the mighty miracles and wonders, and the power and strength of Almighty God that he used to bring you out of Egypt? Well, the Lord your God will use this same might against the people you fear. 20 Moreover, the Lord your God will send hornets to drive out those who hide from you!
21 “No, do not be afraid of those nations, for the Lord your God is among you, and he is a great and awesome God. 22 He will cast them out a little at a time; he will not do it all at once, for if he did, the wild animals would multiply too quickly and become dangerous. 23 He will do it gradually, and you will move in against those nations and destroy them. 24 He will deliver their kings into your hands, and you will erase their names from the face of the earth. No one will be able to stand against you.
25 “Burn their idols and do not touch the silver or gold they are made of. Do not take it or it will be a snare to you, for it is horrible to the Lord your God. 26 Do not bring an idol into your home and worship it, for then your doom is sealed. Utterly detest it, for it is a cursed thing.
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Re: Religion and mythology
Sad but true.Desecrated wrote:Matthew 15:22
22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
................... (all quotes)
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Re: Religion and mythology
WillowDarkWytch wrote:Sad but true.Desecrated wrote:Matthew 15:22
22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
................... (all quotes)
Not an expert here, but I feel it was intentionally taken out of context...
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Re: Religion and mythology
just another general statement, including this oneRockDemon wrote:In my opinion God and Devil is the same, in the sense that everything is the same.
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Re: Religion and mythology
Put it in context, pleaseSeabed wrote: Not an expert here, but I feel it was intentionally taken out of context...

PS: In any context that may be, he basicaly called that woman of other culture/belief/religion/race a DOG for being different, having different religion, etc, nothing justifies that, IMO
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"Water which is too pure has no fish"
- form the Ts'ai Ken T'an
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Re: Religion and mythology
WillowDarkWytch wrote:Put it in context, pleaseSeabed wrote: Not an expert here, but I feel it was intentionally taken out of context...that would be pretty much appretiated. If you're well informed or know better you should share, instead of just "make an statement"
PS: In any context that may be, he basicaly called that woman of other culture/belief/religion/race a DOG for being different, having different religion, etc, nothing justifies that, IMO
I wish, but I don't know how. It sounds to me like more like a metaphor - my impression only.
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Re: Religion and mythology
The matthew gospel is about faith. The story shows that even the Canaanite had fath in jesus. Even the enemy saw his wonder.
But it is a very odd story, because it shows jesus changing his mind. So he is not God, he is not all powerful or all knowing, he is a human being with emotions and opinions. So Trinitarian Christians really hate the story and therefor it is unknown.
The whole father, son, holy spirit being a trinity didn't come into play until 400 years after jesus death. There is no evidence for it in the bible.
But it does showcase the racism in Jewish communities. It wasn't until Paul that christianity started to accept outsiders, but "terms and conditions might vary"
Romans1:16: For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
But it is a very odd story, because it shows jesus changing his mind. So he is not God, he is not all powerful or all knowing, he is a human being with emotions and opinions. So Trinitarian Christians really hate the story and therefor it is unknown.
The whole father, son, holy spirit being a trinity didn't come into play until 400 years after jesus death. There is no evidence for it in the bible.
But it does showcase the racism in Jewish communities. It wasn't until Paul that christianity started to accept outsiders, but "terms and conditions might vary"
Romans1:16: For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
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Re: Religion and mythology
Wow Des... I guess I have homework here for a couple of decades trying to figure out the meaning of all this... I'll ask u in 20 years (no warranties offered) if I still don't know the answer ;-). Thanks it was interesting.
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