Lizard statues of the Ubaid

[violetstar]

In reading the work of Sumerian expert Samuel Kramer,I came across a people who are said to have taught the Sumerians agriculture.Termed proto-Euphrateans by archaeologists,these people are also named after the area-Al Ubaid where remnants of their civilisation have been unearthed.

Of the artefacts the Ubaidic statues modelled on strange reptilian like creatures are a mystery.Thought of by Icke as part of some Illuminati government,many people believe they represent an alien race that came to earth.Any thoughts?

[Nahemah]

I don't think they're all that mysterious?

A Serpent headed goddess figurine, most likely, given the popularity of anthropomorphic deities and entities in that area and period.

[violetstar]

They are unusual in that the goddess serpent figures are not generally shown with offspring which then connect them with maternity.Most serpent goddesses are depicted holding snakes rather than nurturing them.

The Ubaid example also has a male counterpart which suggests these figures may represent either a god and goddess or a more earthly family unit.

For Andrew Collins of course these were depictions of Fallen Angels or perhaps aliens from the star Cygnus,depending on which of his books one reads!

[violetstar]

In reading the work of Sumerian expert Samuel Kramer,I came across a people who are said to have taught the Sumerians agriculture.Termed proto-Euphrateans by archaeologists,these people are also named after the area-Al Ubaid where remnants of their civilisation have been unearthed.

Of the artefacts the Ubaidic statues modelled on strange reptilian like creatures are a mystery.Thought of by Icke as part of some Illuminati government,many people believe they represent an alien race that came to earth.Any thoughts?

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I have resurrected this as I would love to hear opinions from newer members on what these are.I have run out of ideas.

[Cerber]

This concept seems alien to me. I haven't seen beings like that anywhere, so I would guess they are not part of the native fauna and flora.

[violetstar]

Thanks but I was hoping for ideas as to what they might be.

[Cerber]

Thanks but I was hoping for ideas as to what they might be.

Well I meant: I would guess they are aliens. A scouting party, a research group, refugees or a small group of some "space gypsies". Or are you asking for more detailed ideas of where there might have come from, their culture etc?

[violetstar]

Thanks but I was hoping for ideas as to what they might be.

Well I meant: I would guess they are aliens. A scouting party, a research group, refugees or a small group of some "space gypsies". Or are you asking for more detailed ideas of where there might have come from, their culture etc?

Its what they represent that must have been important to the people that made these statues.

[Cerber]

Thanks but I was hoping for ideas as to what they might be.

Well I meant: I would guess they are aliens. A scouting party, a research group, refugees or a small group of some "space gypsies". Or are you asking for more detailed ideas of where there might have come from, their culture etc?

Its what they represent that must have been important to the people that made these statues.

Oh you are looking for more spiritual and magical explanation. I got non of those. sorry

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Just waking up , Violetstar...

No cappuccino yet... [shock2]

Yet , I shall share something off the top of the head for now...

( do note I have reversed positions of columns , goddess / mother ,
on right , god / father on left , as though one was inside the temple ,
looking out , not outside , looking in...metaphorical "temple" )

Column on left , however , here , equals 391 by number value...

When I add a straight line rune to each column , "Is / Isa" , we
attain word "Isis"...

Yet , then the left column = 391 + 7

Mother = 41

Serpent = 358

And the column on right , which contains the symbol for fertility ,
as the second symbol down from top...and see position of statues arms...

Would then equal 603 + 7 = 610

Interestingly :

Lust And Desire = 610

So , I would *possibly* entertain the possibility , the top two statues would
represent two states of the female , one with child , one enjoying life with
no offspring...and enjoying sexuality...

As I have mentioned when we have the two columns of nine symbols , thus eighteen ,
we may attain the sum of 171 , by an exponential formula of 1+ 2 + 3 + 4> 18 = 171

And :

Snake = 171

Now we have an arrangement of two god / father columns , with 16 "Is / Isa" runes...

Thus 391 x 2 + ( 16 x 7 ) = 894

Dna = 55

Helix = 482 ( Mirror = 482 )

= 537

And :

Archetype = 537

Yet :

Serpent = 358

+

537

= 895

I can tell you our Oxygen rune combined with our Nitrogen rune
in that column , makes the shape of a spiral staircase , or helix ,
when fit together , and the Hydrogen and Carbon runes deal with
"ordered / structured wisdom" by meaning...

I shall leave it at that for now... [thumbup]

I shall say , however , I have done the same type of work , with
Marija Gimbutas' work , decoding statuary , among other cultures...

Of course , there is much more which could be derived with time , patience ,
and knowledge of the Code... [wink]

Time For Cappuccino , and a step outside in the beautiful weather !

... [thumbup]...

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Oh...please note the center two runes in this arrangement...

One makes the shape on the mask in the lower photo , one
means deep occult initiation...

They are pronounced "Payuurt" and "Eel" , or Payuurteel , thus Portal...

They are the center pair of symbols in our 11 dimensional tree...

One is the symbol for Copper , the other Potassium...

They can also mean "Vibration" + "Oscillation"...

( yet also ; Vibration + Bridge )

They have a value of 86 / 806...

Yet :

Alien = 87 / 847

Make of it what you will...I have done much work in these domains... [wink]

[Desecrated]

I'm almost afraid to ask, but my curiosity got the better of me.
Why do you think runes have anything to do with Mesopotamia?

[violetstar]

Rune+Cuneiform = 13 ?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Rune+Cuneiform = 13 ?

LOL... [thumbup]

Funny enough ( just for fun )

Runic = 283

And = 44

Cuneiform = 481

Languages = 183

Society / Organization = 215

= 1206

Our dual mother column ( 603 + 603 = 1206 )

Thirteen ( in Obri / Hebrew ) = 1205

So...you weren't far off... [lol]

[Shawn Blackwolf]

I'm almost afraid to ask, but my curiosity got the better of me.
Why do you think runes have anything to do with Mesopotamia?

I did my best already to answer this when you asked in another thread ,
did I not , Desecrated ?

Perhaps it was a thread where posts got deleted , but let me check...

Please do not take it wrong , but after *years* of trying to explain this ,
since it is so "alien" to most , I would rather not have to repeat posts ,
when I do not have to...

I shall see if I can find it , and place a link here...

I remind everyone...I am posting here and on every other site , using
one finger...it takes me a long time to post one answer... [thumbup]

Get back to you soon...

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Fifth post down from top...

http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 5&start=25

[Desecrated]

So lets see if I get this right. You think all languages have the same root, and since rune is an old language you think it means the same?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

I do know all languages have one root...

The language program embedded into the associative cortices of the brain ,
that is the same program running the "unified field"...

That is the real "mystery tradition" knowledge at the core of every world tradition...

Underneath all the layers...

Runes are not Norse or German...as I say , they only adopted part of the whole code ,
yet the same shapes , along with the Obri / Hebrew , ( before flame letters ) which
again was adopted by those called Hebraic peoples , are the languages found around
the world , yet most just don't have the eyes to see it...

And that last statement , is not mine...it has been said many times , in many ways ,
through space and time...and it is not meant in any way , derogatory...

As I said...I shall not argue about it , nor spend useless effort trying to convince anyone...

However , if any , like Violetstar , in this thread , ask for help , or I see where my info
might help , I shall post it...it does not matter to me if you believe , or not...

That is why most who know , keep silent...because we do not want to waste our time...

Some of us try , however , and of those , most give the clues in allegory , myths , stories ,
books , plays , movies , ritual revealed yet not revealed , publicly...

As I said...one name for it , was the Builder's Language...the building blocks of creation ,
each with 77 sides...and multidimensional...

I wish you well , on your path Desecrated...yet I shall not engage you , or anyone else in arguing
what I have spent years working with , teaching , and having confirmed quietly , by those who know... [thumbup]

[Desecrated]

I'm not arguing here. I just trying to understand the way you think. So that I can recognize it in others who think the same way.