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Original post: Son of a Montage

:twisted: He'll be banned soon and I'll take over his body....:twisted:

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Original post: Grab

[QUOTE=Overflowed_Buffer]Wow, thanks for acting like a moron, grab.[/quote]Whatever it takes to 1. make you start doing your exercises and 2. listen to good advice and 3. stop spamming all over this forum.

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Original post: AHA

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There is a place that I must go to, okay? I have to go there on repeated occasions for quite a while. This is a bad thing, and I am trying to avoid doing it. Get it so far? I am trying to use evocation to come to this solution. I have given as much information as I can, which you would know if you had read the first post.[/QUOTE]You asked for friendly advice, and here is mine.

You are aware you have an ordeal to undergo, which is repetitive, and of fixed length and unavoidable.

So, why seek to use evocation to avoid this?
You could just embrace the experience, and learn from it: learn the steadfastness & rigidity of purpose and strength of will to undergo this ordeal, and come out the other side a stronger person.

Why choose to evoke spirits for this purpose, when all you need is a strength of mind to undergo this 'inescapable ordeal'. For example, you could instead choose to manufacture a sigil to aid your mental strength whilst you journey through this uncomfortable chapter of your life. You could construct a mantra to steady your mind and strengthen your will whilst you undergo this 'curse'. You're not the only person to realise they have an inescapable ordeal to undergo. Embrace it, and it could be the making of you.
Your attempt to wriggle out of could be part of the habit which got you into this position.

love & light
AHA!

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Original post: I AM

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My specific intent is to evoke a spirit that has the power to change events that are to occur in my life. If you want it more specific, please ask specific questions and I will see if I can answer them.[/QUOTE]

Hey Overflowed_Buffer!

Let me try again but this time I will use examples.

Let us say that a person is about to be sent away by his parents to a school that is far away from home...or sent to another geographic location...that will separate him from the girl that he loves. He does not want this to happen and turns to Ritual Magick to solve his problem. He decides to use the Goetia to achieve his aims.

He states his intent to be as follows. "I desire that I NOT be sent to XXXXX so that I may continue my love life with my girlfriend". Ritual is performed and the following scenarios occur.

1. The magickian's parents are killed in a car accident and plans to send the magickian away are stopped. The Entity gave the magickian exactly what he asked for.

2. The magickian is in a car accident and becomes brain damaged, unable to care for himself, and therefore will not be sent away. The entity gave the magickian exactly what he asked for.

3. The magickian's parents go bankrupt and, thus, not longer have the money to send the magickian away. The entity gave the magickian exactly what he asked for.

In all of these cases the magickian got what he asked for. In all cases the LAW of Unintended Consequences was invoked. In all cases the magickian got what they asked for but NOT what they wanted. If you think that I am exagerating I am not. I am being as serious as a heart attack. Been there. Done that.

In this case the magickian focused on the WRONG INTENT. The true INTENT that should have been focused on was preventing separation from adversely affecting the love between the magickian and his girlfriend, OR making the love between the magickian and his girlfriend so strong that no event can break the two apart.

In this case and ENTIRELY DIFFERENT group of Entities could assist. In this situation the stated intent would also be different. For example the Statement of INTENT could look something like this. "With no harm to any make our love so strong that no event in this physical reality can break us apart".

You can imagine that the possible results of this INTENT would be different from the other stated INTENT. However, be careful what you ask for...you might get what you ask for. In this case the magickian's dream girl of today may be the horror of tomorrow.

This is what I meant by being more specific in your INTENT. Decide what it is you REALLY want to accomplish. Determine what your STATEMENT of INTENT should be. Then determine and eliminate all possible unintended consequences. After you have done this THEN AND ONLY THEN should you determine which Entity would best serve your purposes.

You should not limit your choice of Entities to the Goetia. There are many different Entities out there (Angels, etc) that can assist you. However, if you believe that Angels are somehow kinder or more forgiving then you will be deluding yourself. They are NOT. Their energies are just different and the method of action is different (although not much different).

Now, I ask you again, please be specific in what it is you intend. Then we may be able to answer your question.

Humbly, I AM

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Original post: I AM

[QUOTE=AHA]You asked for friendly advice, and here is mine.

You are aware you have an ordeal to undergo, which is repetitive, and of fixed length and unavoidable.

So, why seek to use evocation to avoid this?
You could just embrace the experience, and learn from it: learn the steadfastness & rigidity of purpose and strength of will to undergo this ordeal, and come out the other side a stronger person.

Why choose to evoke spirits for this purpose, when all you need is a strength of mind to undergo this 'inescapable ordeal'. For example, you could instead choose to manufacture a sigil to aid your mental strength whilst you journey through this uncomfortable chapter of your life. You could construct a mantra to steady your mind and strengthen your will whilst you undergo this 'curse'. You're not the only person to realise they have an inescapable ordeal to undergo. Embrace it, and it could be the making of you.
Your attempt to wriggle out of could be part of the habit which got you into this position.

love & light
AHA![/QUOTE]


This was posted at the same time I was writing my post. AHA is correct. This may be EXACTLY what you SHOULD go through to facilitate your growth.

That said, you have free choice. Do what you will.

Humbly, I AM

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

To I AM, thank you for the advice, I will utilize this. Just so you know, they are from Franz Bardon's PME. To AHA, I will simply tell you that in this thread, I am not looking for alternatives to evocation, the dangers of evocation, or anything other than advice for using evocation in my situation. I have already evaluated going through with this, and have concluded that any harm to me would be better than the harm caused by this event. Please remember this if you post again.

SOAM and Grab, thanks for nothing.

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Original post: LadyHydralisk

Man can you move to the chaos magick forum or something, maybe they'll like you over there. I see five really respectable guys replying to this thread and you are spitting in their eyes...not just here, but in alot of the other threads you've started.

please go away, I have it hard enough with just the real magicians making fun of me

:-( :-( :-( :-( :-(

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

All I have done is ask for help. I have yelled at people, but only because I was frustrated by their disregard to what I asked, and their commitment to repeat what other people have already said. I am sorry if I have offended anyone, but I was under the impression that this was one of very few forums where you can ask for help and actually get what you asked for. I have already been yelled at, so if anyone is planning to yell at me, just assume that I have already gotten your message from Lady Hydralisk.

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Original post: I AM

[QUOTE=Overflowed_Buffer]To I AM, thank you for the advice, I will utilize this. Just so you know, they are from Franz Bardon's PME. [/quote]

You know I really did not read your list of Entities. I passed over it because I was focusing on other things. Now I feel really stupid and embarassed. Sorry. I guess I could blame it on the medications but it was still stupid. However I will not edit my post as others should also see my stupidity.

Now you see why I have not been posting lately. Sorry for the mistake. However, the rest of the advice is sound.

Very Humbly and embarrassed.

I AM

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

I can't tell if you're serious and have some self esteem problems or if you're being sarcastic. Either way.

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Original post: I AM

I would like to say one other thing. In this topic you have managed to discount Master of The Abyss, fiat_lux_777, LadyHydralisk, Grab, and probably others. Unfortunately they also have TONS of experience and are the very magickians that you should welcome responses from. I consider this a mistake.

I submit that you should do better than that.

Humbly, I AM

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

You are right, and I apologize. I am simply very frustrated that few people have answered in a way that encourages.

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Original post: I AM

[QUOTE=Overflowed_Buffer]I can't tell if you're serious and have some self esteem problems or if you're being sarcastic. Either way, whatever.[/QUOTE]

I was honestly owning up to a stupid mistake. My self esteem is not at issue nor was I being sarcastic. And I posted so that ALL could see my mistake, not just you.

I AM

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

Well it wasn't that much of a mistake. I think a lot of people skip through a lot of posts.

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Original post: m1thr0s

Well, my advise is that you get off your insulting ass and just do something. Don't bother thanking me. This council is vastly more enlightened than you are. The bottom line is that you will work with whomever you please so let's just cut all the crap why don't we. You have enough intelligence to do your own research and asking for other people's advise, while seemingly prudent on the face of it, is actually just a waste of time and energy. Choose something and then go to work on it. It's as simple and as complicated as that. Magick is about action...boards like this primarily provide working magickians a kind of comic relief in the main...it's a place to exchange ideas but no informed magickian would ever try to advise another on what he/she should or shouldn't do...that's your call...so deal with it. I am inclined to suggest you should try working with Ereshkigal...that would teach you a thing or two...

Save your smug "thanks for nothing crap" for yourself. Nobody owes you any explanation of your magickal universe and until you acquire some first-hand experience of your own, exchanging experiences with you will be pointless. You seem a lot more enamored with avoidance than anything else. I have given you all the advise you need. I highly doubt you'll have the wherewithall to utilize it...

Good Hunting (assuming you do eventually intend to go hunting),

m1thr0s

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

Thanks you for that post m1thr0s, the advice you give is well appreciated. I don't appreciate the attitude, but I need a slap in the face for being a jerk to everyone.

On that note, I formally apologize for acting like a smug jackass. (I don't know if this language is allowed, but if not just edit it.) I had no right to act this way and hope that you would all be ask kind as to try and accept this apology. I could understand if I was banned, mostly because I don't know if I offended any moderators or not, or who the mod's are, other than I AM. Anyway, I am sorry.

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Original post: m1thr0s

Interesting...there may be some life in this one yet...

Very good then...I am confident you'll do just fine once you take a chance and go for it...

Perseverance Furthers (I Ching)...

m1thr0s

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

This is comforting. I have also been reading practically every post in the archive, and have been boosted in confidence slightly by these posts. I noticed one thing, and this may be slightly off topic, but if it is just ignore it. Is there any online text or article on the method of DuQuette? It was mentioned in a thread but I had not read about his method. Anyways, I will continue to read and tomorrow I am going shopping for all that I feel is required in preperation.

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Original post: AHA

[QUOTE=Overflowed_Buffer]I don't know much/anything about spellwork, but appreciate any help I can get. If I am lucky and perhaps with your prayers, I may be able to postpone the deadline until spring. However, if I am not able to postpone it, I will have to do whatever I can before a few weeks go by.[/QUOTE]You don't know anything about basic spellwork, and yet you insist that evocation is the only method which will help you?

With such an admission, my original advice to you stands.


Until you reveal the extent of your ordeal, then I can't help you any further.


I'm guessing you hoped someone would pick one of those entities for your proposed evocation without knowing exactly what you want to 'use' them for. In otherwords, a 'blind' choice. Surely you can see that you have made an inappropriate request for advice in entity choice from anyone here who is experienced in evocation, however until you're prepared to say what you want to use evocation of an enitity for, such advice would be meaningless and ill-advised, hence why no-one has confirmed or denied your entity choice.

To ask for the advice of the experienced and then ignore it could be seen as an insult, to both yourself and those who give the advice, but I don't believe anyone here is offended by your ignore'ance.

Do you know how to banish? http://www.occultforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=92

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

I have the help of several of my friends, a few of which are very experienced lifetime practitioners of wicca. I have evaluated their advice and my other options. This has already been stated. Yes, I know how to banish. I am not starting evocation completely blind you know...I have a knowledge of the workings and preliminary ceremonies. As to the rest of what you have said, I will choose to remain without a comment, for if I did say something it would probably be negativity towards you and your post.

edit: ...thanks for the link, I guess?

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Original post: Son of a Montage

[QUOTE=Overflowed_Buffer]Is there any online text or article on the method of DuQuette?[/QUOTE]
No, but there's an interview which should prove useful.

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

Yeah, I have that saved on my computer. It is very funny and slightly educational.

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Original post: palindroem

Have I written in on this thread . . . I can't remember and I'm not going back over it to find out.

Couple of comments OB . . .

First, if you want, quit reading now cause I'm certainly not one to give you an answer to your original request.
On that note, whether a magician believes in karma or something else or nothing at all. . . . any smart/experience/scared/RHP magician probably wouldn't (shouldn't) give you that kind of response simple cause they wouldn't wanna inherit the kind of karma that could come out of your actions . . . whatever they are . . . we still don't know what they are.
Its like asking a police office (cause their experts with guns) what kind of gun you should get cause you wanna "take care of a problem you have with someone". See the tip of the problem-iceberg.

If your interested in DuQuette's approach to evocation . . . ask him. If you want to find his email addy, its out there . . . I assure you. I certainly wouldn't turn you on to it, but its findable. He's pretty nice about answering smart, insightfull, mature questions about real magickal issues . . . although it can take him a bit to respond. (just a side-note, don't ask him stupid things . . . )

Like was said, no other magician can tell you anything directly about your reality. You make it, you live in it.

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

Have I written in on this thread . . . I can't remember and I'm not going back over it to find out.

Couple of comments OB . . .

First, if you want, quit reading now cause I'm certainly not one to give you an answer to your original request.
On that note, whether a magician believes in karma or something else or nothing at all. . . . any smart/experience/scared/RHP magician probably wouldn't (shouldn't) give you that kind of response simple cause they wouldn't wanna inherit the kind of karma that could come out of your actions . . . whatever they are . . . we still don't know what they are.
Its like asking a police office (cause their experts with guns) what kind of gun you should get cause you wanna "take care of a problem you have with someone". See the tip of the problem-iceberg.

I don't really understand something in that "paragraph." If a magician doesn't believe in karma, why would he still fear getting bad karma? That would be like an athiest fearing hell. In any case, it would mean that the magician's beliefs aren't very strong in that sense.

If your interested in DuQuette's approach to evocation . . . ask him. If you want to find his email addy, its out there . . . I assure you. I certainly wouldn't turn you on to it, but its findable. He's pretty nice about answering smart, insightfull, mature questions about real magickal issues . . . although it can take him a bit to respond. (just a side-note, don't ask him stupid things . . . )

I try to avoid stupid questions, however, if you think this thread is stupid, just ignore it. I am sure some of you think this thread is stupid, but at least one person is learning from it. In my opinion, it makes it all worth it if just one person can learn from it.

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Original post: palindroem

OB . . . don't pick apart my grammer.
I was just trying to give some possible insight why people my not be responding with direct answers.
I've asked questions that didn't get direct answers too, and I may not have understood why.

And no, I wasn't suggesting that your question or this thread was stupid. Just trying to offer advice based on experience