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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

I have been observing and posting on OF as much as possible in order to learn as much as I can. The fact is, I have a serious problem that needs resolve in the excruciatingly near future.

I am not able to discuss my problem in great depth or detail here, please do not ask for more detail or why I cannot disclose the information, but instead please trust that it is very serious and that if you direct your help towards me I will be eternally grateful and will do whatever is in my power to assist you in the future. I seek knowledge and experience in Ceremonial Magic, but will not be able to obtain this if the problem is not resolved. This is, in my opinion, the largest setback and obstacle in my life.

I will try to describe my problem as well as I am permitted to. It lies in something I must do. I must go and do something or the consequences will be severe. However, if I do in fact perform this deed and accomplish what I am supposed to, it will cause much pain and suffering. I have weighed and considered every possibility for resolve that I could think of...and the only one that I ended up coming back to and reconsidering was evocation. Please do not post that magic is not the only method of problem solving, as I am already aware of that.

By looking through Goetia, Practice of Magical Evocation, and other lists of beings, I have found great difficulty in discovering an entity with the required skills and/or abilities to assist me. However, I have found a select few who possess general abilities in helping the magician which I think may be the right choice. I will list them now:

68: Pafessa (14° Taurus) - renders the magician professional

assistance and inspires him to improve his professional situation.

If, for instance, the magician is a businessman this head will help

him, through his employees, to get more customers etc. Pafessa is

very polite and is always pleased to help the magician in any

respect whatsoever on the physical plane. In the kingdom of

gnomes this head is very much respected, and gnomes like to

serve the magician if they have been told by Pafessa to do so.

This spirit offers assistance and provides gnomes to help you if she cannot, I believe.

Ichdison (27° Leo) - initiates the magician into the

methods of how any wish is realized in the physical plane by

magic powers.

This is a quite appealing possibility, and I wonder if I could skip the middle-man, as I must make grave haste, and have him perform the wish.

Kofan (21° Scorpio) - He who open-heartedly refers to

this head will have all wishes fulfilled as far as is possible to him.

His specialty is to change bad living conditions into good ones

and to procure man's contentment. He informs the magician of

ways and means by which he can better his own living standard

and tells him to what extent his fate is karmically conditioned and

to what extent Divine Providence allows any interference. Since

the magician is, for the most part, master of his own fate, it will

usually be the fates of other people which the magician will want

to ameliorate with the help of this head.

This spirit also seems to be fit for my assistance.

Schaluach (22° Scorpio) - This head is equipped with

almost the same faculties and powers as the before mentioned one;

he renders man advice and assistance by intuition in even the

most difficult situations of life where, under normal conditions,

there is no possibility of escape. This intelligence finds the right

remedy in every situation and lets the magician know about it by

intuition.

I am not sure, but this spirit also seems well suited.

Ekore (28° Sagittarius) - is a leader of the fate of every

human being. The magician who evokes this head will be able to

realize by his assistance the difference between destiny and free

will. Ekore is, no doubt, in the position to change the fate of any

person, should the magician ask him to do so. He may let the

magician know how far his personal free will is going in respect

of a certain task.

Same comment as above..

Elemiah - The fourth genius instructs the magician not

only how to become the master of his own fate, but also how to

control the fates of other people and of animals. Furthermore, the

magician learns how to charge magic words by quabbalistic

methods and to transfer them into the Akasha-principle in order

to bring about the desired effect in the mental, astral or physical

world, and how, by diverse methods of passive intercourse to get

into touch with the dead.

...

Poiel - The magician will get everything he needs for

his living, his studies, his profession, and earthly life, in general,

by the assistance of the fifty-sixth genius, who will always be

pleased to help him. The magician may learn from this genius

everything past, present, and future, and will produce love and

sympathy in all those cases where it should be necessary. The

magician will be told those facts about occult philosophy, magic

and quabbalah, which up to that point have not yet become

known to him, and he will be effectively assisted by Poiel in his

studies.

65: Damabiah - The magician can be initiated into symbolism

and talismanic magic, i. e. the magical preparation of

talismans and amulets, by the sixty-fifth genius. He can be led to

the origins of the highest wisdom existing on our planet; he is

taught the laws of the microcosm and the macrocosm and their

magic-quabbalistic application, and is instructed in the controlling

of the water element, so that he gets complete power over any

animal living in the water. This genius readily informs him about

all the treasures hidden under the surface of the sea and makes

him discover mineral springs. Since he is an initiator into

hydrotherapy, he not only teaches the magician how to charge,

by way of magic and quabbalah, the water element with certain

magic powers but also how to use it accordingly for medical purposes.

This genius will assist, in word and deed, the magician in

all his operations.

I wasn't sure about this one, but posted it simply because of the last statement.

Haiel- Guided by the seventy-first genius the magician

will learn to master any situation, to get out of the worst trouble,

to make his enemies obedient and to help all those who are being

persecuted by foe or fate. Haiel knows methods by which the

magician is able to increase his magic powers as far as possible, so

that at the end he is capable of working miracles. This genius is,

in any respect, an excellent teacher and assistant.

Master any situation, get out of the worst trouble? sounds right.

This concludes my research. Please help me in any way you can, for I am in desperate need of council. I am always available for email.

If anyone has dealt with or has any other experience with any of these beings, please say so.

Thank you for whatever time you have spent reading this, replying to the plea for help, or in any other method of assistance.

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Original post: MaeveQ

I dont know what's the deadline for this. But I hate it when people suffer. So after I achieve what I must, I can help you with a spell, which will probably work too if you want me to.

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

I don't know much/anything about spellwork, but appreciate any help I can get. If I am lucky and perhaps with your prayers, I may be able to postpone the deadline until spring. However, if I am not able to postpone it, I will have to do whatever I can before a few weeks go by.

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Original post: MaeveQ

By the way, out of these entities I am thinking Kofan, Ekore, Haiel.

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Original post: MaeveQ

Also I will say that, dont worry. If you really want to get out of this you will. I myself have gotten myself out of unwanted situations, not exactly like yours probably but similiar. Also have seen other people miracelously get out of other inevidable situations too and they probably even didnt use magick or at least not consciously.

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

Thank you so much for your help, you have no idea how much it means to me. I am very lucky to be in the presence of experienced practitioners, both of magic and of life.

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Original post: MaeveQ

Even if you fail at your first attempt or second, lets hope that you wont, dont give up. Once you put your mind to it, anything is really possible. Magick has a lot to offer. Know that you can do anything if you really desire to.

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

Indeed it does...I am just so nervous that a spirit will either decline my request or be unable to fulfill my request. Of course, as soon as I start comforting myself, I start to worry that I won't be able to evoke the spirits at all, being that it will be my first attempts at actual evocation.

I would be so willing to just kneel down and relinquish anything that is asked of me to God in return for this, but unfortunately I would have no way of knowing if he accepted or declined and therefore on the day of deciding I would be either supremely lucky or screwed so badly.

In addition, please know that I am sitting here with my hardcopy of The Book of Black Magic, studying to pass the time whilst I sit here waiting for replies.

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Original post: Master of the Abyss

Now this won't be pretty.

You have neither the skill, nor the knowledge, nor the will, to get anywhere near success in magical evocation. You are even less grounded and centered than the average man. In the attempt to perform high-powered magic, I therefore expect you to have all sorts of magical accidents, most prominently including possession and permanent damage to your mind.

In my experience, getting clarity into the situation (meditation, writing everything down, and most of all, openly and honestly talking to others) is much more likely to help, especially since you quite obviously have tried nothing of the sort. It costs the price of having to admit and acknowledge certain things about oneself, but - again, from experience - this is a lot brutal than having a transcendental entity re-order one's life. If your reply is "I can't", you are really saying "it is too costly for me". Fine, your decision, but there will not necessarily be any other way. At any rate, evocation is not.

Of course you can still evoke. I just advise you not to. Do What Thou Wilt.

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

I must have been very niave to think that by only asking for helpful comments, I would only get helpful comments and would successfully weed out comments like yours. You do not know what I have done to gain clarity, or what experience I have in high magic. I admit, I have not evoked before. This does not mean that I have not preformed other ceremonies or rituals. Anyhoo, thank you for your direct contradiction to what this thread is asking for, and I will ask once again that all posts be helpful, not the telltale warning of the dangers. I have already weighed my alternatives. I have chosen magic. Deal with it, or don't post please. I am in need of a different type of advice now. If I feel to cocky, I will read something solomonic, or perhaps one of the Honorious books.

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Original post: Master of the Abyss

[quote=""Overflowed_Buffer""]If anyone has dealt with or has any other experience with any of these beings, please say so.[/quote]
MaeveQ has said in another thread that s/he has so far made two attempts at evocation (not of Bardon entities, either), and failed both times. As those members who remember the pre-crash forums in particular can confirm, I am quite an experienced evoker with several hundred successful operations. Hence, I would assume my opinion is more likely to be "expertise" than anything else you got so far.

Since "helpful" apparently is your word for confirming your delusion, I'll rather not be "helpful". I would rather inform about practical evocation than nurture people's romantic fantasies about it.

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

Quite an ego you have there. However, a thousand evocations means nothing to me unless you have the ability to assist me now. You'll notice that I mentioned specific beings. If you have any experience with THESE beings, then please post them. However, you don't like my plans and don't want to help, so don't deter the other posters from doing so, and please don't deter me from my plans. You do not understand the situation nor the consequences of the actions in this situation. Try not to pass judgement until you understand.

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Original post: fiat_lux_777

I must have been very niave to think that by only asking for helpful comments, I would only get helpful comments and would successfully weed out comments like yours. You do not know what I have done to gain clarity, or what experience I have in high magic. I admit, I have not evoked before. This does not mean that I have not preformed other ceremonies or rituals. Anyhoo, thank you for your direct contradiction to what this thread is asking for, and I will ask once again that all posts be helpful, not the telltale warning of the dangers. I have already weighed my alternatives. I have chosen magic. Deal with it, or don't post please. I am in need of a different type of advice now. If I feel to cocky, I will read something solomonic, or perhaps one of the Honorious books.

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You asked for helpful comments - MOTA's comments are perhaps the most helpful you will receive. Why? Because it would seem he may be trying to stop you from making a mistake. Goetic evocation is not some simple, light-hearted, feel-good ceremony. The dangers are real. The reason MOTA suggested you are not ready for such rituals (I am surmising here, please feel free to correct, MOTA) comes from the following paragraph -

Indeed it does...I am just so nervous that a spirit will either decline my request or be unable to fulfill my request. Of course, as soon as I start comforting myself, I start to worry that I won't be able to evoke the spirits at all, being that it will be my first attempts at actual evocation.

I would be so willing to just kneel down and relinquish anything that is asked of me to God in return for this, but unfortunately I would have no way of knowing if he accepted or declined and therefore on the day of deciding I would be either supremely lucky or screwed so badly.

A magician who is "ready" does not hope that the ritual will be successful, does not worry that they can't evoke, and, *most of all*, does not blithely offer to relinquish anything asked of him or her.

Just a suggestion.

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Todd

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Original post: All_One_Mind

I too have to agree with Todd and MOTA. I say this 100% to be helpful, not to deter you from your plans. As to having experience with the entities you have mentioned, I have not. However I am experienced at evocation, and not just the Goetia.

I understand that you have evaluated your situation and have decided that evocation is the best course of action. I have also gleaned from your posts that you are not highly experienced in magick. Unfortunately, I would advise you that those two variables do not mix well together.

However, this is not to say that magick cannot help with your situation. I would recommend creating a servitor myself, as they are easy and safer to work with, yet can be just as powerful as any Goetic spirit I have worked with.

As Todd mentioned, confidence is not only essential in evocation, it is a requirement. In fact, a better word than confidence would be knowledge, in the true sense of the word. Not intellectual book knowledge, but the kind of knowledge gained through knowing yourself. Without the true knowledge of yourself, I would venture to say that evocation is impossible. I am not saying that you do not possess this knowledge, however from your posts I would infer that you do not possess it. I am not saying this out of ego or in a derisive manner, I am simply stating what I really view.

I hope this is sugar coated enough for you. MOTA hit the nail on the head IMHO, however he is not always known for his diplomatic choice of words. This is to his benefit, however, in that he speaks his mind truthfully.

Take my advice for what it is, advice. However, I recommend you heed the advice of those with experience in this field or risk the very real dangers that have already been outlined in this thread.

I wish you the best of luck in your situation.

Frater Tabaord in L.V.X.

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Original post: Qryztufre

I also agree with MOTA & Todd. I too have a deadline, though mine is January (2005) (or there abouts). This gives me more time then you no doubt but I do not think I'll be ready until at least February (2006) to actually have my needs fulfilled. I might be able to successfully Evoke before then, but I'll be evoking for knowledge rather then fulfillment of my needs (pronounced WANTS). Therefore I plan on doing all I can in the physical to manifest the BEST outcome I can.

I'm NOT trying to discourage you, though, not all things magickal are pretty. To not accept the advice of the others, to disregard and ignore the warnings of those who have tread before you in my opinion is folly.

You could very likely BE successful, I'm not saying you will not be. BUT you must head their advice (even if it is wrong *shrug*). You also might want to get practicing on lesser things before you ask fer the big one. This may lend you the experience you need. You may also wanna head over to the Witchcraft board as many of their spells are a. simpler (no offence) b. Less dangerous (but still have dangers). If your deadline is coming close this may help.

You might also wanna do a forum search fer the Talking Points topics. While these might not directly suit your needs, they are VERY informative and may guide you to success indirectly (by helping with the various aspects of ritual). Whatever it is you decide I hope for only the best for you.

Good luck, and in all things, BELIEVE!

Q

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Original post: Master of the Abyss

Thank you fiat_lux. I agree to what you said, and have to admit you were a lot clearer than I could.

Overflowed_Buffer, my experiences would not help you, because they were made after several years of training and practice and lacking those, you are probably unable to reproduce the results. Hence, there is no point in the counsel you are asking for. You might just as well ask for our advice on how to score a gold medal at the current olympic games, lacking only the minor detail of qualification.

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Original post: I AM

Hey Overflowed_Buffer!

You will probably not like what I am about to say but I feel it must be said. Master of The Abyss and fiat_lux_777 are absolutely correct in their comments to you. They also have TONS of ACTUAL practical experience in Ceremonial Magick. Far more than you my friend. I submit that it would be a good idea to listen to them.

I wish I had a dollar for every time someone has entered these forums and said words to the effect "Hi, I am new to Ceremonial Magick and I have a problem that must be solved immediately. Please tell me everything that it took you years of study, experiment, and ACTUAL PRACTICE to learn in a few paragraphs so that I may be as successful as you".

This type of arrogant approach is destined to get the magickian in trouble. One does not trifle with the energies of the Goetia. Many magickians have died and many more are in asylums due to this type of approach.

I, and other Magickians in this forum, have no problem helping those that are sincerely interested in pursuing Magick. In fact I have helped some who have posted in some of your topics. The difference is that they approached me stating that they were new to Ceremonial Magick and wanted to learn and they listened to the advice given.

The best advice I can give you is that you need to LISTEN. When you post in these forums you WILL get responses that may sound critical to you. You ask for opinions and then are unhappy when these opinions differ from what you expect. You need to get over that. Many are here to help and assist you but you have to listen when they talk.

In your description of your problem you are so vague that I believe that anyone would have trouble advising you as to which entity should be summoned. You do not need to share details however, you MUST give us your specific intent if you really want good advice.

Now, as you called me an "Armchair Theorist" in your comments about my Talking Points - The Circle topic I fully expect you to ignore what I am saying. However, I sincerely hope that you do not. You seem to confuse your present understanding of Magick with the full possibilities of Magick that actually exist. You seem to confuse number of posts with magickal capability in this post-hacked forum. These are mistakes. You need to discern who has the most ACTUAL experience and then learn to listen to them.

I wish you nothing but success in your Magickal desires and hope that all works out well for you. I remember the frustrations that I experienced when I first started and understand what you are going through. I wish you well my friend.

I will leave you with one final thought. There are OLD Magickians and there are OVERLY AGRESSIVE BOLD Magickians. There are no OLD OVERLY AGRESSIVE BOLD Magickians.

Humbly, I AM

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Original post: LadyHydralisk

Overflowed Buffer don't look now but Iktomi is in your hair!!!!!

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Original post: Noxlux

I remember reading Castaneda and being impressed by the scolding Don Juan gives Carlos. It went something like this. "Your intellect is a most wonderful affair, but since it is such a wonderful affair it has gotten cocky, arrogant and ignorant. What your intellect can grasp is just a small island in a sea of potential experiences."

I find it an intellectual challenge to consider how a modern human is to deal with the possibility that ones intellect may fall short of understanding enough, while the option of guruism is quite unattractive.

If a person is really smart, and listens to someone who has years of experience who sayz many things which sound totally unreasonable to his intellect how is he going to deal with the possibility that the person who has experience MAY in fact be 100% correct? What is the intelligent way to deal with that possibility.

It would not be intelligent to just say:

"I think it is this way - therefore the universe will obey the phantasies of my intellect, and it will be this way. "

Perhaps it would be intelligent to find out a way to find out if the person who speaks from experience is indeed right.

I have noted that I AM (who by the way I admire and consider a very experienced magickian) is not the only one who has been accused of being armchairers. In fact as I recall the comment by some other magickian which triggered tha armchair comment was actually a comment which I took to show that the person had indeed had EXPERIENCE.

All the best
Noxlux

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

It was a mistake posting any questions here and in this manner. I knew I would be attracting this sort of attention but thought that perhaps through it all there would be one or two people willing to actually help. You have all told me the same thing. I understand what you are saying and under normal circumstances, I would listen wholeheartedly. However, the circumstances in this situation are extreme and I would rather go to the ultimate extreme than do what I am supposed to do. I do not expect many of you to understand, but for those who do, please try advising me in other ways than discouragement. If you want me to succeed and have confidence that I will succeed, do exactly the opposite of what you are doing right now. Either way, I doubt I will find any guidance through this thread and apologize for bothering.

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

After thinking about this for a while, I have concluded that I may have been stubborn. More than that however, I was angry. I was angry because everyone who posted ONLY to warn me or to discourage me did a very unhelpful thing to my cause, whether you all agree or not. Apparently some people do agree with me as I have gotten messages from people who agree with me.

I have chosen to try my best to put out such discouraging remarks since they will only serve to hold me back. I understand the dangers and am willing to go to such a risk for this. I would rather go mentally insane than fail. I do however, thank Q, I am, and MaeveQ for their replies. While I am does the same thing as some of you, he also provides me with some helpful information. Lady, your response was worthless in my opinion.

Since any help I can get is better than no help, and since I have the ability to just ignore stupid responses, I will take I am's advice and give my specific intent.

My specific intent is to evoke a spirit that has the power to change events that are to occur in my life. If you want it more specific, please ask specific questions and I will see if I can answer them.

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Original post: Grab

For someone who has been "post-whoring" as you do, it's pretty amazing how you consistently refuse to answer simple questions and to follow frank and straight-forward suggestions. If I was a Moderator... oh well...

Your intent "to change events in your life" doesn't tell us much at all. It could be to get laid on your next date, to kill your enemy who will visit you soon, or to get that fancy car...

Be specific and stop Overflowing this forum. And read "I AM"'s post again. And again. And again. Until you understand it! :lol:

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

Wow, thanks for acting like a moron, grab. If you took your own advice and read through MY posts, you would see that I explained as much as I could in the first post. I will try again, and this time I will try to do my best to help you understand.

There is a place that I must go to, okay? I have to go there on repeated occasions for quite a while. This is a bad thing, and I am trying to avoid doing it. Get it so far? I am trying to use evocation to come to this solution. I have given as much information as I can, which you would know if you had read the first post.

Every answer I have gotten from you while posting on this forum has been unhelpful and condescending. I have tried to just answer you by saying you have an intresting point of view or thanking you for your opinion. Try to return a slight amount of niceness to me. If not, stop replying to threads I have started if you are just going to act like that.

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Original post: pAmphAge

I dunno. I think he SHOULD evoke because one of 3 things will happen:

1) Nothing, and he will have to find another solution to his problem.

2) It will work. Problem solved. (A definite possibility. I've found beginner's luck goes as far in magick as anywhere else.)

3) It will be a magickal catastrophe like some of you are predicting, which is the surest way to push him onto a real path of initiation. Might be a little dangerous, but I think MANY of us stumbled our way onto the path out of just such a desperate material neccessity. I started my journey into ceremonial magick when I was fifteen because I *desperately* wanted a girlfriend. I got that for a little while, but it was quickly replaced by other things...a road...toil...trouble...and eventually my lifelong sexy biatch, Nuith >:)

pAmphAge

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Original post: Qryztufre

It was a mistake posting any questions here and in this manner. I knew I would be attracting this sort of attention but thought that perhaps through it all there would be one or two people willing to actually help. You have all told me the same thing. I understand what you are saying and under normal circumstances, I would listen wholeheartedly. However, the circumstances in this situation are extreme and I would rather go to the ultimate extreme than do what I am supposed to do. I do not expect many of you to understand, but for those who do, please try advising me in other ways than discouragement. If you want me to succeed and have confidence that I will succeed, do exactly the opposite of what you are doing right now. Either way, I doubt I will find any guidance through this thread and apologize for bothering.

What are you looking for? Confirmations? Sorry, you'll likely not find many here. But more help was offered in a way, by I AM.

In your description of your problem you are so vague that I believe that anyone would have trouble advising you as to which entity should be summoned. You do not need to share details however, you MUST give us your specific intent if you really want good advice.

And while many of us that also posted most of us wished you nothing but the best. You should take that as a compliment as I've seen threads like this before filled with nothing but flames to the individual that posted then were deleted. At least the people that were replying to you showed respect enough to just give warnings. Granted, those warnings fall upon deaf ears, but then who are we to judge...you are doing something out of necessity. So I will hope fer the best for you one more time...and once again, good luck.

Q


EDIT: I hit the link & it took me to the 1st unread, as that one was the last on the page I took it as the last responce (as the name matched from the main page). Please, for the better part, disregard this posting... Thanks.[/font]