Original post: The Cove
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I thought I would share this - there may be some who will find great interest in it.
Draw a tree of life using a golden section as it's base. Every measurement, from sephiroth to sephiroth, must be in proportion and balanced in measurement. After this is complete, take all the lines that make up the tree and project them out farther - how far will become self apparent. The results are provocative.
I fear that even with this advice many will do it wrong - so post your result - if you take up the challenge - and we shall see.
I will post my own drawing of this at a later date - those who attempt this should apreciate the mystery.
If you have any questions about what I am describing please let me know.
You will not - as far as I know - find an example of this on the net - it is truly an occult symbol...
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I am having a problem with placing the 6th Tiphareth . . . lemme see your drawing!
I am having a problem with placing the 6th Tiphareth . . . lemme see your drawing!
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Original post: EtuMalku
Are we looking at a Tetragramatron? A Cross?
Are we looking at a Tetragramatron? A Cross?
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Original post: The Cove
Greetings EtuMalku -
Did you construct your golden rectangle using Binah, Chokmah, Hod, & Netzach as the four corners?
To place Tiphareth use the power of the compass to find your point.
My original drawing has been destroyed. I will reconstruct it but only now if someone post's a good attempt or a correct one
Keep in mind a straight edge and a compass should be the only tools you need. Measurement is misleading.
Do not worry about if you are doing it correctly - when you are it will 'lock' & grow in a rather dramatic way.
In relation to your Tetragramatron question could you post what you think that is?
Greetings EtuMalku -
Did you construct your golden rectangle using Binah, Chokmah, Hod, & Netzach as the four corners?
To place Tiphareth use the power of the compass to find your point.
My original drawing has been destroyed. I will reconstruct it but only now if someone post's a good attempt or a correct one
Keep in mind a straight edge and a compass should be the only tools you need. Measurement is misleading.
Do not worry about if you are doing it correctly - when you are it will 'lock' & grow in a rather dramatic way.
In relation to your Tetragramatron question could you post what you think that is?
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Original post: Dr. Pepper
I don't believe you can really call this qabalistic sacred geometry, using the numeric equivalents of the hebrew alefabeth to form shapes from words is what I would call qabalistic geometry - simply drawing the tree of emanations using phi seems empty to me and lacking in any real application (tho' it does tie into all the stuff written on it).
I don't believe you can really call this qabalistic sacred geometry, using the numeric equivalents of the hebrew alefabeth to form shapes from words is what I would call qabalistic geometry - simply drawing the tree of emanations using phi seems empty to me and lacking in any real application (tho' it does tie into all the stuff written on it).
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Greetings -
Great googly moogly! A response and an image! Most impressive.
Dr. Pepper -
First off - it is not about Phi nor Pi for that matter. These may play a part in construction and proportion or ratio but are not the end game, well, technically they may well be - both being infinite - one irrational the other transcendental. I digress...
Your drawing has many errors and you didn't even attempt to 'throw out' the lines.
You must replace the Sephiroth.
Let us number the Sephiroth; Kether is 1 - now just follow the traditional lighting bolt down and you have the rest.
i.e Kether 1, Hokhmah 2, Binah 3, Daath 4, etc... Yes, include Daath.
Example:
Triangle 1,2,3. is not the same as 8,9,10. One is correct one is not - as far as I can tell without further effort. Both may be wrong.
10 should be in the center of triangle 8,9,11.
Cut rectangle 2,3,8,9 into four equal sections. You will have three lines in the rectangle - upper, middle, lower. Place 4 on upper, 5,6. on middle and 7 on lower.
Triangle 8,9,11. is wrong and should be the same as 7,8,9.
Then throw out the lines.
Then repost - if it is close - I will redraw it.
I may be wrong in this - being off the top of my head and using a free discretion based on a foggy memory - but give it a try - if you wish.
It may be something I need in the near future, myself.
Oh, it is not empty and has real application - most assuredly.
Luck.
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Great googly moogly! A response and an image! Most impressive.
Dr. Pepper -
First off - it is not about Phi nor Pi for that matter. These may play a part in construction and proportion or ratio but are not the end game, well, technically they may well be - both being infinite - one irrational the other transcendental. I digress...
Your drawing has many errors and you didn't even attempt to 'throw out' the lines.
You must replace the Sephiroth.
Let us number the Sephiroth; Kether is 1 - now just follow the traditional lighting bolt down and you have the rest.
i.e Kether 1, Hokhmah 2, Binah 3, Daath 4, etc... Yes, include Daath.
Example:
Triangle 1,2,3. is not the same as 8,9,10. One is correct one is not - as far as I can tell without further effort. Both may be wrong.
10 should be in the center of triangle 8,9,11.
Cut rectangle 2,3,8,9 into four equal sections. You will have three lines in the rectangle - upper, middle, lower. Place 4 on upper, 5,6. on middle and 7 on lower.
Triangle 8,9,11. is wrong and should be the same as 7,8,9.
Then throw out the lines.
Then repost - if it is close - I will redraw it.
I may be wrong in this - being off the top of my head and using a free discretion based on a foggy memory - but give it a try - if you wish.
It may be something I need in the near future, myself.
Oh, it is not empty and has real application - most assuredly.
Luck.
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Original post: Scarlett_156
What an interesting topic! I don't have time to play with this myself right now but I'll be back. xoxo
What an interesting topic! I don't have time to play with this myself right now but I'll be back. xoxo
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Original post: Dr. Pepper
[QUOTE=The Cove]First off - it is not about Phi nor Pi for that matter. These may play a part in construction and proportion or ratio but are not the end game, well, technically they may well be - both being infinite - one irrational the other transcendental. I digress...[/quote]
Then it isn't divine geometry. What you have described here -
[QUOTE=The Cove]10 should be in the center of triangle 8,9,11.
Cut rectangle 2,3,8,9 into four equal sections. You will have three lines in the rectangle - upper, middle, lower. Place 4 on upper, 5,6. on middle and 7 on lower.
Triangle 8,9,11. is wrong and should be the same as 7,8,9.[/QUOTE]
- completely destroys the proportions (some by measure some by eye) that are in the above image. The path between 9 and 10, 8 and 10 is 10 and 11 is in proportion to the two outer pillars. 1, 7, 10 and 11 are positioned along the central pillar according to phi, again. Unusual correspondences between the paths arise due to these measures.
How is taking a golden rectangle and equally dividing it into 4 a practise of divine geometry? Try dividing the sequence of numbers that is phi into 4, you can't! But you can embed phi within itself.
Why should Da'ath be included?
[QUOTE=The Cove]you didn't even attempt to 'throw out' the lines.[/quote]
You didn't attempt to describe what that process even was. I imagine what you're talking about is similar to the exercise in geometry that you're supposed to do with the sri yantra, imaging it in 3 dimensions, but until you post what "throwing out the lines" means nobody will bother to even attempt it.
[QUOTE=The Cove]Oh, it is not empty and has real application[/quote]
Which is? How does it illuminate the torah or other hebrew texts? What correspondences arise from your image? Or is it just a useful glyph for your meditation?
[QUOTE=The Cove]First off - it is not about Phi nor Pi for that matter. These may play a part in construction and proportion or ratio but are not the end game, well, technically they may well be - both being infinite - one irrational the other transcendental. I digress...[/quote]
Then it isn't divine geometry. What you have described here -
[QUOTE=The Cove]10 should be in the center of triangle 8,9,11.
Cut rectangle 2,3,8,9 into four equal sections. You will have three lines in the rectangle - upper, middle, lower. Place 4 on upper, 5,6. on middle and 7 on lower.
Triangle 8,9,11. is wrong and should be the same as 7,8,9.[/QUOTE]
- completely destroys the proportions (some by measure some by eye) that are in the above image. The path between 9 and 10, 8 and 10 is 10 and 11 is in proportion to the two outer pillars. 1, 7, 10 and 11 are positioned along the central pillar according to phi, again. Unusual correspondences between the paths arise due to these measures.
How is taking a golden rectangle and equally dividing it into 4 a practise of divine geometry? Try dividing the sequence of numbers that is phi into 4, you can't! But you can embed phi within itself.
Why should Da'ath be included?
[QUOTE=The Cove]you didn't even attempt to 'throw out' the lines.[/quote]
You didn't attempt to describe what that process even was. I imagine what you're talking about is similar to the exercise in geometry that you're supposed to do with the sri yantra, imaging it in 3 dimensions, but until you post what "throwing out the lines" means nobody will bother to even attempt it.
[QUOTE=The Cove]Oh, it is not empty and has real application[/quote]
Which is? How does it illuminate the torah or other hebrew texts? What correspondences arise from your image? Or is it just a useful glyph for your meditation?
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Original post: The Cove
Greetings -
I think you are putting the rule before the result. If one works within and based on a golden rectangle - in whatever manner of construction - harmony is never lost.
About centering the Sephiroth in the triangle - you have used the Incenter as your basis when you should have used the Centroid of the triangle instead.
A link about this: http://www.mathopenref.com/triangleincenter.html
Indeed they do and may conform to Phi - but not to the True Tree - as I see it - and as it is traditionally seen.
What I mean by 'throwing out' the lines is simply taking the lines of the construction and project them out farther till they start to bisect each other.
I will leave that up to you to find out if you wish - or rather, till you make a better construction.
It is great that you have an interest in this - no matter how skeptical.
Luck.
Greetings -
I think you are putting the rule before the result. If one works within and based on a golden rectangle - in whatever manner of construction - harmony is never lost.
About centering the Sephiroth in the triangle - you have used the Incenter as your basis when you should have used the Centroid of the triangle instead.
A link about this: http://www.mathopenref.com/triangleincenter.html
Unusual correspondences between the paths arise due to these measures.
Indeed they do and may conform to Phi - but not to the True Tree - as I see it - and as it is traditionally seen.
What I mean by 'throwing out' the lines is simply taking the lines of the construction and project them out farther till they start to bisect each other.
Which is? How does it illuminate the torah or other hebrew texts? What correspondences arise from your image? Or is it just a useful glyph for your meditation?
I will leave that up to you to find out if you wish - or rather, till you make a better construction.
It is great that you have an interest in this - no matter how skeptical.
Luck.
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Original post: The Cove
Greetings -
An edit:
And even further than that - this is when it starts to construct itself.
Greetings -
An edit:
What I mean by 'throwing out' the lines is simply taking the lines of the construction and project them out farther till they start to bisect each other.
And even further than that - this is when it starts to construct itself.
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Original post: thief_and_a_liar
The Cove:
You draw an incorrect tree of life. Daath is included, but the paths are 17.
The Cove:
You draw an incorrect tree of life. Daath is included, but the paths are 17.
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Original post: The Cove
Greetings -
thief_and_a_liar -
I have not written of the number of paths - so why do you state that?
Indeed - I have not drawn or posted a Tree of Life of my own construct either.
Could you be a bit more lengthy in your dispute of things it would help illuminate whatever errors in my verbal logic so far - if there are any - which is a very likely occurrence.
Serendipity.
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thief_and_a_liar -
I have not written of the number of paths - so why do you state that?
Indeed - I have not drawn or posted a Tree of Life of my own construct either.
Could you be a bit more lengthy in your dispute of things it would help illuminate whatever errors in my verbal logic so far - if there are any - which is a very likely occurrence.
Serendipity.
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Original post: m1thr0s
m1thr0s
I think we will need to see this before this discussion can go very far...otherwise this is just baiting. Show your proofs, man! It's not possible to do a good job of scrutinizing technical assumptions without them since words alone are just too damn volatile.Indeed - I have not drawn or posted a Tree of Life of my own construct either.
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Original post: The Cove
Greetings -
m1thr0s -
True it is baiting. No one has made even a half hearted attempt. If there is no interest, interest with proof, I will not post the image.
It is not about constructing the tree - the tree is just the seed.
I do not go around this forum posting all sort of bait emails, or if I do - it is not my main style to do things.
If it is volatile way to do it - I should hope it should be even more so - someone may construct a miracle in pure ire.
I am content to let this thread float - until the prerequisite is met.
Luck
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m1thr0s -
True it is baiting. No one has made even a half hearted attempt. If there is no interest, interest with proof, I will not post the image.
It is not about constructing the tree - the tree is just the seed.
I do not go around this forum posting all sort of bait emails, or if I do - it is not my main style to do things.
If it is volatile way to do it - I should hope it should be even more so - someone may construct a miracle in pure ire.
I am content to let this thread float - until the prerequisite is met.
Luck
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Original post: ghostmaker
havnt got a clue! but I see three parts of 11 in each 333, ffs, am off again lol
havnt got a clue! but I see three parts of 11 in each 333, ffs, am off again lol
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Original post: Michaeljwjr
I'm interested to see how this goes, but since I'm only a beginner student of the Qabalah, I don't know how to draw one of my own. Can you give me step-by-step directions on how I should draw it?
I did find this: http://mysticalkeys.com/nutol/tree-of-life_building.htm
I'm interested to see how this goes, but since I'm only a beginner student of the Qabalah, I don't know how to draw one of my own. Can you give me step-by-step directions on how I should draw it?
I did find this: http://mysticalkeys.com/nutol/tree-of-life_building.htm
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Converted the .swf to .gif for anyone that is interested:
Converted the .swf to .gif for anyone that is interested:
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Original post: Michaeljwjr
Ok I understand the 1, 2, and 3rd circle. I know that the 4, 5, and 6th circles are half the radius of the first three, but how only using a compass and straight edge to you get half the radius? And then how big are the 7, 8 and 9 circles? And how do you place them?
Ok I understand the 1, 2, and 3rd circle. I know that the 4, 5, and 6th circles are half the radius of the first three, but how only using a compass and straight edge to you get half the radius? And then how big are the 7, 8 and 9 circles? And how do you place them?
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Original post: Hanged_in_Glory
Nice animation.
Wish I could answer that question but I'm not particularly skilled in sacred geometry...or any geometry for that matter. Guess maybe I should learn.
There are those here who are, though, and maybe they can be of more help.
Just wanted to say that I like the animation and the layout.
HiG
Nice animation.
Wish I could answer that question but I'm not particularly skilled in sacred geometry...or any geometry for that matter. Guess maybe I should learn.
There are those here who are, though, and maybe they can be of more help.
Just wanted to say that I like the animation and the layout.
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Original post: The Cove
Greetings -
Michaeljwjr - Did you construct that .swf?
Here is a link explaining Euclidean geometry techniques in a very easy to follow manner:
http://www.mathopenref.com/constcirclecenter.html
At the bottom of the page are more links of relevance.
After you answer the first question I can answer further...
Jello.
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Michaeljwjr - Did you construct that .swf?
Here is a link explaining Euclidean geometry techniques in a very easy to follow manner:
http://www.mathopenref.com/constcirclecenter.html
At the bottom of the page are more links of relevance.
After you answer the first question I can answer further...
Jello.
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Original post: Darkwater
Cove,
sorry if my inertia is mistaken for a lack of interest,even in silence the super-dynamic nature of infinity goes on regardless.
eh,aising from my interest in various aspects of Kaballah I took the view that a "tree" was only one slice,& worked on the theory that 4 sides existed to every tree,to form a Megatatron cube within spheres(circles for this excersise).Eh,I never did the geometry to prove this theory one way or the other,it will be rough for sure but fits my purposes in that it floated my boat a while ago.
Many thanks to all your brave students having a stab at this,I am grateful & wait with baited breathe to see the outcome.Just something I "realised" when reading another part of Kaballah,the name escaping me right now.
Namaste
Andy
Cove,
sorry if my inertia is mistaken for a lack of interest,even in silence the super-dynamic nature of infinity goes on regardless.
eh,aising from my interest in various aspects of Kaballah I took the view that a "tree" was only one slice,& worked on the theory that 4 sides existed to every tree,to form a Megatatron cube within spheres(circles for this excersise).Eh,I never did the geometry to prove this theory one way or the other,it will be rough for sure but fits my purposes in that it floated my boat a while ago.
Many thanks to all your brave students having a stab at this,I am grateful & wait with baited breathe to see the outcome.Just something I "realised" when reading another part of Kaballah,the name escaping me right now.
Namaste
Andy
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Original post: The Cove
Greetings -
Darkwater -
An interesting concept - it would be nice to carve it out if a tree...
Of course there would be no real need too - since it already was there in the first place. In root web, branch weave and bark flow...
Damn! - I am in a metaphysical fugue.
I also am among the many students - I am just very good at being grumpy.
Greetings -
Darkwater -
An interesting concept - it would be nice to carve it out if a tree...
Of course there would be no real need too - since it already was there in the first place. In root web, branch weave and bark flow...
Damn! - I am in a metaphysical fugue.
I also am among the many students - I am just very good at being grumpy.
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Original post: Michaeljwjr
[QUOTE=The Cove;295464]Greetings -
Michaeljwjr - Did you construct that .swf?
Here is a link explaining Euclidean geometry techniques in a very easy to follow manner:
http://www.mathopenref.com/constcirclecenter.html
At the bottom of the page are more links of relevance.
After you answer the first question I can answer further...
Jello.[/QUOTE]
No. I did not create the .swf, only convert it with permission from S. A. Mullen (the .swf creator). You can find the original here. Thank you for the link, I'll investigate it further later.
Michael
[QUOTE=The Cove;295464]Greetings -
Michaeljwjr - Did you construct that .swf?
Here is a link explaining Euclidean geometry techniques in a very easy to follow manner:
http://www.mathopenref.com/constcirclecenter.html
At the bottom of the page are more links of relevance.
After you answer the first question I can answer further...
Jello.[/QUOTE]
No. I did not create the .swf, only convert it with permission from S. A. Mullen (the .swf creator). You can find the original here. Thank you for the link, I'll investigate it further later.
Michael
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Ok I went through the euclidian geometry site, and figured out how to do circles 4, 5 and 6. What I'm still not clear on, is where to get the measurement for circles 7, 8, and 9.
Figured out circles 7 and 8. Check image below for where to get radius for 7 and 8(blue line).
Ok I went through the euclidian geometry site, and figured out how to do circles 4, 5 and 6. What I'm still not clear on, is where to get the measurement for circles 7, 8, and 9.
Figured out circles 7 and 8. Check image below for where to get radius for 7 and 8(blue line).
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Original post: The Cove
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Michaeljwjr - It is not only the compass you have as a tool for answers but also the straight edge.
I am exhausted at the moment so maybe I am giving bad advice in reference to your query; but, when you ask about the radius I would say find the proper triangle...
I am curious if you will meet the prerequisites of my challenge, and I can finish this thread - or maybe, you will preclude the need for me to do so.
Lazy bastard that I am.
Luck.
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Michaeljwjr - It is not only the compass you have as a tool for answers but also the straight edge.
I am exhausted at the moment so maybe I am giving bad advice in reference to your query; but, when you ask about the radius I would say find the proper triangle...
I am curious if you will meet the prerequisites of my challenge, and I can finish this thread - or maybe, you will preclude the need for me to do so.
Lazy bastard that I am.
Luck.