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Original post: father_satans_follower

I have asked many people about the ORIGINS of the sumerian Gods and all I get all the time is they came from Nibiru. Offcourse this is because of Mr.Sitchins crap. Hes already been proven WRONG and I recently read an article that said Nibiru does NOT exist. I will post the link later.
Anyways, I was wondering that do any of you REALLY know where the sumer gods came from? Is it REALLY true they came "somewhere" from space?
Thanks!

~father_satans_follower~

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Original post: m1thr0s

I know that at least SOME of the Sumerian gods are classed as pre-Sumerian...so they were already ancient by the time Sumer was built. I have no idea where people were prior to Sumer...in caves? huddled in tents? where did they even come from? We need a serious historian to clear all that up...Sitchin ain't the guy...

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Original post: Qryztufre

[QUOTE=m1thr0s]I know that at least SOME of the Sumerian gods are classed as pre-Sumerian...so they were already ancient by the time Sumer was built. I have no idea where people were prior to Sumer...in caves? huddled in tents? where did they even come from? We need a serious historian to clear all that up...Sitchin ain't the guy...

m1thr0s[/QUOTE]
yeah, I think so...

As the Christians took the gods before them and made them into devils and demons so did the Sumerians...at least according to at least one of the books I've read (sorry, don't recall which one, but I got it at the library).

The Primordial gods and the offspring that came before the ones worshiped in society were said to have been the gods (both good & bad) from the time before homes were built and the farms were planted. The gods that saved the "nomad" were no longer needed and almost feared...as the "god that protects the traveling home" is also the god that wanted people to wander...in settleling there was not a need for that god, and the fear that such a god still around would make his people long to wander again...

But then, that's speculation...so maybe you should summon a few of them & ask :lol:
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Original post: m1thr0s

here's an interesting article that might clear up some of the historical puzzle...

http://www.ldolphin.org/eden/

m1thr0s

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Original post: Amur

The only theory to this I can give, that there came somekind of original signal to Earth, who's feeling can be felt in some of the ancient religions/mythologies, which in a way is a distorted signal of the original music... What it is I am referring to I have no idea as I am merely following intuitional feelings...

Popul Vuh seem to contain some information regarding somekind of great flood, which evidently is described in Sumerian myths also(ripped by the bastards to the bible ehh)...

I'd go with Q here, summon one and have a chat, I bet they are well-mannered

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Original post: vulnera

um, i say it was aliens...

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Original post: PaulS

Try reading this information:
http://home.comcast.net/~chris.s/sumer-faq.html
It is a general overview of the land and peoples of Sumer.
It contains factual information and not the ramblings of a sci-fantasy author (Z. Sitchin) and to it I can only add the following without time to do a good search:

Nammu (the primoidial sea) and An formed Ki and Ki and Nammu formed An. While this seems contradictory what is meant (in my educated opinion) is that Anki ( the ever existing god) separated itself into An and Ki and Nammu - they were born together out of the "originator".

Sumerian is a non-semitic language and has no other languages that compare to it. You cannot compare Sumerian words to a different and semitic languages without using the definitions of the words instead of those that are close in spelling when converted to the english language. Adam in Hebrew is the first man - Adapa in Sumerian is the important man or "above others in wisdom" but the two names do not carry the same meanings and they are from two very different languages that are not connected in any way.

The question where did the gods of Sumer come from can have only one answer - Anki which is transliterated as "all of heaven and Earth" .
Anki is "all that exists" and from it came the three primary deity: An the male attributes of god, Ki the female attributes of god and Nammu the multi-gendered or neuter gendered aspects of god. From An and Ki all the other gods and goddesses were born. From one of their offspring came man. Man was made from the clay of the rivers mixed with the blood of a god. We each contain a spark of the divine given freely by the gods so that we may be partners with them in the ongoing creative force of the universe.

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Original post: m1thr0s

um, i say it was aliens...

yeah...the aliens thing is all very quiche and all of that. What you don't often hear much about is the possibility of aliens from Inner Space, which is actually a hell of a lot more likely, considering that Shamanism on various levels ultimately underscores everything of a spiritual nature (historically anyway) with the one outstanding difference that powerful visions can be produced on queue...no "belief" required... I suppose Terence McKenna would argue this whole thing at least...

edit: looks like a real good faq link PaulS...thanks for digging that out...

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Original post: vulnera

yeah...the aliens thing is all very quiche and all of that. What you don't often hear much about is the possibility of aliens from Inner Space, which is actually a hell of a lot more likely, considering that Shamanism on various levels ultimately underscores everything of a spiritual nature (historically anyway) with the one outstanding difference that powerful visions can be produced on queue...no "belief" required... I suppose Terence McKenna would argue this whole thing at least...

edit: looks like a real good faq link PaulS...thanks for digging that out...

m1thr0s

notice i didnt specify what type of aliens.... i have numerous versions i like. right now, i like to think "greys" are human relatives who look like crap due to the rigors of space/time/psychic travel, so theyve come here to re-up on some good-lookin' genes as well as more functional organs and what not too, plus having sex with humans is always fun (the gods were accused of this as well, waaaaay back). theyre also definitely in tune with the same wavelengths that psychics and other "wierd" people use to know things...

paul, i like sumerian mythology and all that good stuff and have a minor interest in fictionalized sitchin scenarios, but i definitely prefer the published scholarly, direct translations of the texts more...

Anki is "all that exists" and from it came the three primary deity: An the male attributes of god, Ki the female attributes of god and Nammu the multi-gendered or neuter gendered aspects of god. From An and Ki all the other gods and goddesses were born.

these are kramers direct quotes on the subject of the words "an" and "ki" and i feel it still leaves room for interpretation in favor of aliens. *shrugs

No. 1 is the picture of a star; it represents primarily the Sumerian word an, "heaven." The very same sign, however, is used to represent the word dingir, "god."

No. 2 represents the word ki, "earth." Obviously it is intended to be a picture of the earth, although the interpretation of the sign is still uncertain.

and two on nammu:

...as the wife of An, her epithet ama-tu-an-ki, "the mother who gave birth to heaven and earth," reveals her original character.

the goddess Nammu is described as ama-palil-ù-tu-dingir-šár-šár-ra-ke4-ne, "the mother, the ancestress, who gave birth to all the gods."