Original post: the_man_within_the_shadow
Hi
I have decided to use salvia to quickly enter an altered state of consciousness. Has anyone used this plant for magickal uses? I have smoked it to see its effects (NOT for any mystical work, just to see what it was like) but I shall not bore you with that. IMO, salvia is good to induce a state of gnosis. It kinda puts me in a state of void.
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Original post: Qryztufre
Most drug discussions take place down in the astral trance board...
Salvia Divinorum has been mentioned 28 times on the forum...you may enjoy searching for it.
Most drug discussions take place down in the astral trance board...
Salvia Divinorum has been mentioned 28 times on the forum...you may enjoy searching for it.
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Original post: Arresta
Maybe for meditation. But I would leave it well alone for CM.
Unless you know it and yourself reallly well, but, still,...
It might be hard to focus and move physically aswell.
Maybe for meditation. But I would leave it well alone for CM.
Unless you know it and yourself reallly well, but, still,...
It might be hard to focus and move physically aswell.
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Original post: Jenfucius
Used mostly in Shamanism magick. You could try asking in that section. I beleive there has been a few members that has tried mind altering plant drugs and they could tell you thier experiences.
Used mostly in Shamanism magick. You could try asking in that section. I beleive there has been a few members that has tried mind altering plant drugs and they could tell you thier experiences.
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Original post: the passenger
It's my understanding that the salvia trip would be far too intense to get any CM work in. Your mileage may vary.
It's my understanding that the salvia trip would be far too intense to get any CM work in. Your mileage may vary.
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Original post: Aodh
[QUOTE=the_man_within_the_shadow]Hi
I have decided to use salvia to quickly enter an altered state of consciousness. Has anyone used this plant for magickal uses? I have smoked it to see its effects (NOT for any mystical work, just to see what it was like) but I shall not bore you with that. IMO, salvia is good to induce a state of gnosis. It kinda puts me in a state of void.
Kind Regards
Shadows[/QUOTE]Yeah because a completely dissociative and/or void state is totally conducive to CM work. *rolls eyes*
[QUOTE=the_man_within_the_shadow]Hi
I have decided to use salvia to quickly enter an altered state of consciousness. Has anyone used this plant for magickal uses? I have smoked it to see its effects (NOT for any mystical work, just to see what it was like) but I shall not bore you with that. IMO, salvia is good to induce a state of gnosis. It kinda puts me in a state of void.
Kind Regards
Shadows[/QUOTE]Yeah because a completely dissociative and/or void state is totally conducive to CM work. *rolls eyes*
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Original post: LSVPA
As for CM work, the fact that you can manifest at will instantaneously under many chemicals is a great blessing, although that takes such a high degree of control that its definately not for one with less than, say, 300 hours of tryptamine derivative experiences.
Especially when dealing with a plant that has little historical exploration, appart from a quite localized group, its important to understand the creature, the sybiot formed from the taking of the chemical, before venturing to use its powers.
Its not like you just take this substance and your on your way to being a time-share wizard of supreme magic. Its a matter of taking it enough so you can call its spirit onto you, of having so many built in anchors that you can create that altered state from a sober state at will. Controlled psychological flash-back episodes, although that fails in trying to state it. Saying "invoking the spirit of the plant without the plant" is a more historical way of saying it. I'm sure you get the point.
And of course, let us not forget, as it has been said "Unless you think you've taken too much, you haven't taken enough." To cover my own ass, I am stricktly speaking of tryptamine derivatives here. Although I realise that Salvinorum A is not tryptamine based, hence it legality through bypassing the analog act. Regadless, most people who have been turned on to salvia have been quickly turned off, and for someone with none / next to none experience with that substance, your statement seems more and more ridiculous.
You know, skydiving without a chute is a great way to come to terms with human mortality.
As for CM work, the fact that you can manifest at will instantaneously under many chemicals is a great blessing, although that takes such a high degree of control that its definately not for one with less than, say, 300 hours of tryptamine derivative experiences.
Especially when dealing with a plant that has little historical exploration, appart from a quite localized group, its important to understand the creature, the sybiot formed from the taking of the chemical, before venturing to use its powers.
Its not like you just take this substance and your on your way to being a time-share wizard of supreme magic. Its a matter of taking it enough so you can call its spirit onto you, of having so many built in anchors that you can create that altered state from a sober state at will. Controlled psychological flash-back episodes, although that fails in trying to state it. Saying "invoking the spirit of the plant without the plant" is a more historical way of saying it. I'm sure you get the point.
And of course, let us not forget, as it has been said "Unless you think you've taken too much, you haven't taken enough." To cover my own ass, I am stricktly speaking of tryptamine derivatives here. Although I realise that Salvinorum A is not tryptamine based, hence it legality through bypassing the analog act. Regadless, most people who have been turned on to salvia have been quickly turned off, and for someone with none / next to none experience with that substance, your statement seems more and more ridiculous.
You know, skydiving without a chute is a great way to come to terms with human mortality.
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Original post: Anika Divinorum
I personally think it would be hard to forus on a ritual during a salvia trip. I think the herb works better for me if used in the morning or before exercising or something that requires energy. It always wakes me up without making me feel tired after. Perhaps beginning a ritual or meditation in the afterglow period would make more sense. I believe this is a very spiritual herb and can cure things like depression. I've never used it in a ritual though. I couldn't even meditate on it, I couldn't sit still, I exercised instead. Very inspirational.
I personally think it would be hard to forus on a ritual during a salvia trip. I think the herb works better for me if used in the morning or before exercising or something that requires energy. It always wakes me up without making me feel tired after. Perhaps beginning a ritual or meditation in the afterglow period would make more sense. I believe this is a very spiritual herb and can cure things like depression. I've never used it in a ritual though. I couldn't even meditate on it, I couldn't sit still, I exercised instead. Very inspirational.
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Original post: Blinky
I've had profound experiences with sublingual salvinorin-a...
I would actually recommend using it whether a cm or not.
Even someone not necessarily looking for anything can have expeirences within a current which will guide them.
It's actually extremely easy to focus on it and when used sublingually during metitation is the only way you will notice these effects. You say it throws you into a void when you smoke it, and while I've experienced many of those "voids" (with, I must say, very little control), there is a very nice ability to focus which I can't really describe.
I prefer sublingual use over smoking.
Effects last around one hour but tapers off over about another hour, and it is an amazing antidepressant.
I use 2.0-3.5mg of ~90%assay.. but if you must use leaf, use whole leaf, ~1g dried... and wash with hot water beforehand, otherwise you won't be able to stand the bitterness and it will distract you. It should be held under the tongue and alternately chewed (if using leaf) until effects are suitable. Don't spit or swallow (much) as it has to enter the bloodstream through the oral mucosa.
I've had profound experiences with sublingual salvinorin-a...
I would actually recommend using it whether a cm or not.
Even someone not necessarily looking for anything can have expeirences within a current which will guide them.
It's actually extremely easy to focus on it and when used sublingually during metitation is the only way you will notice these effects. You say it throws you into a void when you smoke it, and while I've experienced many of those "voids" (with, I must say, very little control), there is a very nice ability to focus which I can't really describe.
I prefer sublingual use over smoking.
Effects last around one hour but tapers off over about another hour, and it is an amazing antidepressant.
I use 2.0-3.5mg of ~90%assay.. but if you must use leaf, use whole leaf, ~1g dried... and wash with hot water beforehand, otherwise you won't be able to stand the bitterness and it will distract you. It should be held under the tongue and alternately chewed (if using leaf) until effects are suitable. Don't spit or swallow (much) as it has to enter the bloodstream through the oral mucosa.
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Original post: lunukaos
A friend of mine attempted to astral project on Salvia. He said the room collapsed onto the point of focus, and was very distracting when it did that.
I can't personally say if it is good for CM ritual or not, but it is one helluva powerful metaprogramming tool if you wish to experience "egolessness" (by having the ego standing beside you, mocking your body as it helplessly slumps off the couch, forcing you to realize that Robert Anton Wilson was onto something in my personal experience).
A friend of mine attempted to astral project on Salvia. He said the room collapsed onto the point of focus, and was very distracting when it did that.
I can't personally say if it is good for CM ritual or not, but it is one helluva powerful metaprogramming tool if you wish to experience "egolessness" (by having the ego standing beside you, mocking your body as it helplessly slumps off the couch, forcing you to realize that Robert Anton Wilson was onto something in my personal experience).
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Original post: Wild Fox Zen
It works just fine, just make sure you're strong enough to deal with the schizophrenia it opens you up to, but hey if you can't deal with schizophrenia you have absolutely no business doing anything *spiritual*, especially magick.
It works just fine, just make sure you're strong enough to deal with the schizophrenia it opens you up to, but hey if you can't deal with schizophrenia you have absolutely no business doing anything *spiritual*, especially magick.
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Original post: Wilder
I'm far too unfocused to do anything ritualistically when I'm on Salvia, though more intense trips could certainly "break open your head" and give you a revelation.
I'm far too unfocused to do anything ritualistically when I'm on Salvia, though more intense trips could certainly "break open your head" and give you a revelation.
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Original post: Amur
Idd with jenfucius that it is very good for inducing shamanistic dream-like states... Via these dream-states one can access deeper parts of ones consciousness... Though it depends also on the set&setting lol... sometimes it's impossible for me to go into a dream-like state because of the intense laughter and jokes being hurled me...
Hmm though there is a whole plane available to use under the effects of salvia... Seems that the effects vary according to the plant/how it has been grown.. Hmm if you can physically move and haven't got problems with gravity swinging then go for it
Idd with jenfucius that it is very good for inducing shamanistic dream-like states... Via these dream-states one can access deeper parts of ones consciousness... Though it depends also on the set&setting lol... sometimes it's impossible for me to go into a dream-like state because of the intense laughter and jokes being hurled me...
Hmm though there is a whole plane available to use under the effects of salvia... Seems that the effects vary according to the plant/how it has been grown.. Hmm if you can physically move and haven't got problems with gravity swinging then go for it
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Original post: MaxSteiner
Isn't Salvia more of a shamanic drug (I.E visualisations of flight etc)? High DMT content or something simmilar I believe.
Mushrooms would have a better 'synergy' with what one tends to attempt with CM, I've had some good experiances with the Psilocybe Mexicana strain (Also known as Philosopher's Stone Truffles). Quite difficult to maintain a focus at times, but definatly puts you in the right frame of mind... Still saying that its all been made illegal over here...
Virola snuffs quite good too, and potentially has a far greater degree of usefulness, as it has the benefit of lending clarity of mind, whilst still expanding the mind in the afore mentioned direction.
End of the day though, the use of psychoactive substances in CM isn't the best idea, being better suited to spiritual exploration rather than the great work
Isn't Salvia more of a shamanic drug (I.E visualisations of flight etc)? High DMT content or something simmilar I believe.
Mushrooms would have a better 'synergy' with what one tends to attempt with CM, I've had some good experiances with the Psilocybe Mexicana strain (Also known as Philosopher's Stone Truffles). Quite difficult to maintain a focus at times, but definatly puts you in the right frame of mind... Still saying that its all been made illegal over here...
Virola snuffs quite good too, and potentially has a far greater degree of usefulness, as it has the benefit of lending clarity of mind, whilst still expanding the mind in the afore mentioned direction.
End of the day though, the use of psychoactive substances in CM isn't the best idea, being better suited to spiritual exploration rather than the great work
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Original post: Ra-Razal
Salvia Divinirum is a great method to change your consciousness in a way that you can briefly percieve what on the astral, etc, if you can handle the harsh vibrant numbing feeling that comes with it. The only problem is, if you need a drug to get you to that stage, then you have a lot to learn. Maybe sometimes one is not able to percieve a certain plane of existence without that understanding of it for a reason.
Salvia Divinirum is a great method to change your consciousness in a way that you can briefly percieve what on the astral, etc, if you can handle the harsh vibrant numbing feeling that comes with it. The only problem is, if you need a drug to get you to that stage, then you have a lot to learn. Maybe sometimes one is not able to percieve a certain plane of existence without that understanding of it for a reason.
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Original post: MaxSteiner
Hmmm I wonder though if perhaps the drugs may serve to shock the psyche into awakening.
After all it is our stated aim to storm the gates of heaven by force.
Once you've become aware of somethings existance, THEN you can worry about understanding it.
Still, the problem with most of these substances is that they make it quite difficult to focus on anything other than the drug.. appart from cannabis, and maybe acid, but you can never trust anything you do under their influance to be worthwhile.
Hmmm I wonder though if perhaps the drugs may serve to shock the psyche into awakening.
After all it is our stated aim to storm the gates of heaven by force.
Once you've become aware of somethings existance, THEN you can worry about understanding it.
Still, the problem with most of these substances is that they make it quite difficult to focus on anything other than the drug.. appart from cannabis, and maybe acid, but you can never trust anything you do under their influance to be worthwhile.
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Original post: Defgarden
Certainly I would attribute some of my interest in the occult and ceremonial magick to drugs, mushrooms especially. They opened my mind in a sense and allowed me to notice that there was so much more than my limited perceptions have previously shown me. But, honestly, I don't think I could use most psychoactives in a ceremonial sense, at least at this point. I have always seen most drugs as a recreational thing that I do with my friends.
I really don't think I could "use" the altered states to achieve my aims and goals. Rather I choose to let myself go to the experience that unfolds itself when I use mushrooms, acid, salvia, and whatnot. I think it holds it's own type of magick, though one I prefer to not try and control to my will.
And salvia, well, I honestly don't think I could do ANYTHING on salvia other than sit there. Everytime I've done it I have just totally lost myself for 5 minutes. It's fun and breathtaking, but being only able to melt into the walls has it's limitations. For me anyway haha.
Certainly I would attribute some of my interest in the occult and ceremonial magick to drugs, mushrooms especially. They opened my mind in a sense and allowed me to notice that there was so much more than my limited perceptions have previously shown me. But, honestly, I don't think I could use most psychoactives in a ceremonial sense, at least at this point. I have always seen most drugs as a recreational thing that I do with my friends.
I really don't think I could "use" the altered states to achieve my aims and goals. Rather I choose to let myself go to the experience that unfolds itself when I use mushrooms, acid, salvia, and whatnot. I think it holds it's own type of magick, though one I prefer to not try and control to my will.
And salvia, well, I honestly don't think I could do ANYTHING on salvia other than sit there. Everytime I've done it I have just totally lost myself for 5 minutes. It's fun and breathtaking, but being only able to melt into the walls has it's limitations. For me anyway haha.
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Original post: Ra-Razal
One time I was smoking salvia while sitting in a car with a friend at night. After I lost myself, I saw a woman waving at me at the edge of the woods infront of us. I was about to ask him who she was, but then I realized it was a hallucination, hah.
One time I was smoking salvia while sitting in a car with a friend at night. After I lost myself, I saw a woman waving at me at the edge of the woods infront of us. I was about to ask him who she was, but then I realized it was a hallucination, hah.
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Original post: Qaexl
As for drugs and shocking the system ... it is enough to "stop the world". You can do that with something as simple as reading this. The Truth is right in front of you, in your face, every moment with every breath. As my partner says, "You don't get the K by adding it to the end of 'magic'". Look up the keyword "Kundalini" sometime.
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I love Lois McMaster Bujold's works:MaxSteiner wrote:Hmmm I wonder though if perhaps the drugs may serve to shock the psyche into awakening.
After all it is our stated aim to storm the gates of heaven by force.
That was from Curse of Chalion.I'd storm heaven for you, if I knew where it was.
He knew where it was. It was on the other side of every living person, every living creatures, as close as the other side of a coin, the other side side of a door. Every soul was a potential portal to the gods.
As for drugs and shocking the system ... it is enough to "stop the world". You can do that with something as simple as reading this. The Truth is right in front of you, in your face, every moment with every breath. As my partner says, "You don't get the K by adding it to the end of 'magic'". Look up the keyword "Kundalini" sometime.
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Original post: guysmy
I take the shamanistic approach to salvia. It is as Castaneda would say, a "teaching plant". Was salvia in Don Juan's smoking mixture("little smoke")? I know he had crushed mushrooms in there...
I wouldn't want to be doing a ritual of any kind on salvia. The plant has other plans for you!
I take the shamanistic approach to salvia. It is as Castaneda would say, a "teaching plant". Was salvia in Don Juan's smoking mixture("little smoke")? I know he had crushed mushrooms in there...
I wouldn't want to be doing a ritual of any kind on salvia. The plant has other plans for you!
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There's no DMT in salvia. Salvinorin A is the active ingredient.Occult Forum Archive wrote:Original post: MaxSteiner
Isn't Salvia more of a shamanic drug (I.E visualisations of flight etc)? High DMT content or something simmilar I believe.
Mushrooms would have a better 'synergy'
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