Combining Heathenry (Norse) with Qabalah = bad idea, yes?

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Original post: Specktackular

I've been interested in Futhark for some time now, but haven't really persued it. There are a few reasons for this. I think back in my hazy college days, I attributed a string of bad luck to a rune & seal of Solomon/tetragrammaton necklace I fashioned for some odd reason and my study of Crowley's 777. My solution during this kind of "chapel perilous" moment of my life was to throw away the necklace (if I'm remembering correctly-- don't actually remember doing it, but I no longer own it) and to eventually trade my copy of 777 for Colin Wilson's "The Occult". I meditated on the Seal of Solomon once later for some reason and for a period of a few years kind of steered clear of magicky books that seemed "wrong" for whatever reason and instead pursued interests such as Gurdjieff/Ouspensky, Kundalini, Buddhism and Eastern Philosophies.

BACK THEN, I was ignorant. I still am. But, now I realize something I was oblivious of in those days:

hea·then ** (*P*)**Pronunciation Key**(hthn)
n. pl. hea·thens or heathen

1.
a. One who adheres to the religion of a people or nation that does not acknowledge the God of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
b. Such persons considered as a group; the unconverted.

2.
a. One who is regarded as irreligious, uncivilized, or unenlightened.
b. Such persons considered as a group.

Interesting.

Also, apparently, Egyptian and Norse gods don't like to be "prayed to," but prefer to be invoked by "assuming the godform." What's more, I have learned that Norse deities really have a lust for physical life and are just waiting for the opportunity to manifest. I have read that for this reason specifically, Norse deities are to be befriended and immediately informed that you do not wish to be possessed at just any old time of day and must specify exactly when and where you will assume the godform. I have read that Hitler was possibly possessed by a Norse godform, lending him the gift of glorious speech to move people.

It's no secret that Hitler was using Runes. Hitler disliked both Judaism and Christianity and went back to Norse magick to create a master race free of degenerates and weaklings. However, what is interesting is that he apparently mixed Norse magic with the Qabalah. If you read about the Secret King by Edred Thorsson/Stephen Flowers, this seems to be the case. Also, if you read Edred Thorsson's "Futhark," it very much feels like the he has applied Golden Dawn ideas to the Runes as a way to compensate for what Rune knowledge is lost forever. Since Edred/Stephen is a member of the Temple of Set, which is supposed to be trans-aeonic, I don't find it doubtful in the least to believe that Edred/Stephen simply used Western Ceremonial Methods he had learned from Thelema/Golden Dawn (since Temple of Set attempts to pick up where Thelema left off) and began using these magickal techniques with Futhark.

Did it work for Hitler? Did it work for Edred Thorsson? Yeah, I'm sure Edred got some insight about Futhark by this process. He is the leading authority of Futhark and with so little else by way of contrast, it is hard to discredit his scholarly opinions. I guess you could say it worked for Hitler, but he didn't seem to be the embodiment of what Futhark stood for. He was a base filter.

This mixing of Heathenry with Judeo-Christian mysticism goes with the WCM idea that these "energies" simply exist in all religions under different names and there is no difference from one religious belief to the next underneath it all. But all these different pantheons act quite differently (so I read). The Egyptian, Norse, Greek, Roman, Celtic and Judeo-Christian all have their uniqueness. The "energies" are not exactly interchangeable save for a name.

So, is it right to mix a pantheon that rejects the other? Is it a grand idea to put Futhark and the Tetragrammaton back-to-back and string it around your neck? Is it wise to apply Qabalistic numerological techniques to Futhark?

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Original post: Specktackular

Also, I believe the Cicero's "Middle Pillar" provides Norse and Celtic alternatives for the Hebrew names in order to perform Qabalistic magick in a Heathenly fashion.

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Original post: Specktackular

Point #3: as I was figuring all this out just now, a shelf in the living room broke off the wall and landed on my sleeping girlfriend, scaring the living shit out ofher. I got goosebumps a little bit when I noticed that on that particular shelf were 3 christian candles, a virgin mary-looking sculpture and a mini zen rock garden. I immediately shook this out of my mind as paranoid fantasy linked to coincidence, but here I am with some brand new runes, reading about runes and just realizing this potential clash of interests when the shelf just breaks out of the wall. I had actually just looked up "heathen" at dictionary.com when the shelf fell. I promise you I am not lying about this weird coincidence.

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Original post: Specktackular

Then, there is the striking similarity between Eiwaz and Aiwas, which I was happy to find was noted on this board in a previous incarnation by Kuroi Kaze:
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Original post: Ekron

Over the years I've slowly worked my way to puritanism (and still am) and I no longer favour mixing 'magickal systems'. This is also strongly empasized by Joseph Lisiewski in his book "Ceremonial Magic and The Power of Evocation". I certainly recommend this book.

Even the "Arbatel of Magick" says, Aphorism36, "Care is to be taken, that experiments be not mixed with experiments, but that every one be onely simple and several: for God and Nature have ordained all things to a certain and appointed end..."

This seems to be a thread running especially throughout 'old school magick'...the grimoires. The reason I've never had complete success with them is because I've never followed them to the letter. I've either cut corners or tried to incorporate them into a Golden Dawn system of working.

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Original post: Levavi Oculos

this is sort of interesting because i remember reading from franz bardon something about an old runic kabalah. he said the knowledge had been lost over time. well, why not bring it back. i'd say that the key lies in understanding the runes (as much of the kabalah has to do with the hebrew alphabet) and how they relate to other parts of the kabalah as we know it. doesn't seem to me like it would take that great a leap of the imagination, but i've never tried so i'm not sure.