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From: Magick Without Tears

MAGICK WITHOUT TEARS
By Aleister Crowley

Chapter XXXI: Religionâ??Is Thelema a "New Religion"?

Cara Soror,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
"Would you describe your system as a new religion?" A pertinent question, you doubtless suppose; whether it may happen to mean anything isâ??isâ??isâ??well, is what we must try to make clear.

True, it's a slogan of A.'. A.'. "The method of scienceâ??the aim of religion.& Here the word "aim" and the context help the definition; it must mean the attainment of Knowledge and Power in spiritual mattersâ??or words to that effect: as soon as one selects a phrase, one starts to kick holes in it! Yet we both know perfectly well all the time what we do mean.

But this is certainly not the sense of the word in your question. It may clear our minds, as has so often happened, if we examine it through the lens of dear old Skeat.

Religion, he says, Latin: religio, piety. Collection or paying attention to: religens as opposed to negligens, neglecting; the attitude of Gallio. But it also implies a binding together i.e. of ideas; in fact, a "body of doctrine." Not a bad expression. A religion then, is a more or less coherent and consistent set of beliefs, with precepts and prohibitions therefrom deducible. But then there is the sense in which Frazer (and I) often use the word: as in opposition to "Science" or "Magic." Here the point is that religious people attribute phenomena to the will of some postulated Being or Beings, placable and moveable by virtue of sacrifice, devotion, or appeal. Against such, the scientific or magical mind believes in the Laws of Nature, asserts "If A, then B"â??if you do so-and-so, the result will be so-and-so, aloof from arbitrary interference. Joshua, it is alleged, made the sun stand still by supplication, and Hezekiah in the same way cause it to "go back upon the dial of Ahaz;" Willett did it by putting the clock back, and getting an Act of Parliament to confirm his lunacy. Petruchio, too "It shall be what o'clock I say it is!" The two last came close to the magical method; at least, to that branch of it which consists of "fooling all the people all the time." But such an operation, if true Magick were employed, would be beyond the power of any magician of my acquaintance; for it would mess up the solar system completely. (You remember how this happened, and what came of it, in a rather clever short story by H.G. Wells.) For true Magick means "to employ one set of natural forces at a mechanical advantage as against another set"â??I quote, as closely as memory serves, Thomas Henry Huxley, when he explains that when he lifts his water-jugâ??or his elbowâ??he does not "defy the Law of Gravitation." On the contrary, he uses that Law; its equations form part of the system by which he lifts the jug without spilling the water.

To sum up, our system is a religion just so far as a religion means an enthusiastic putting-together of a series of doctrines, no one of which must in any way clash with Science or Magick.

Call it a new religion, then, if it so please your Gracious Majesty; but I confess that I fail to see what you will have gained by so doing, and I feel bound to add that you might easily cause a great deal of misunderstanding, and work a rather stupid kind of mischief.

The word does not occur in The Book of the Law.
Love is the law, love under will.
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Original post: Frater C.U.G.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

I think these Thelemic Glossary posts really need some discussion in them. Lets face it, if we leave it up to just some quotes from Crowley it's going to leave many non-Thelemites confused (And many Thelemites for that matter!). So here goes.

Is Thelema a religion to me?

YES! and NO! How's that for a nice clear answer. ;) On one hand we have many of the trappings of a religion, holy books, holidays, an organized service, a Prophet. But on the other hand unlike most religions we really don't have any particular Deity(s) to worship ("There is no god but man." - Liber Oz).

To my way of thinking Thelema is more than a religion it's a philosophy or way of life. But I don't really have a problem calling it a religion if it suits me. For example if someone asks me what my religion is I'd say Thelema. No need to confuse the matter just to answer a simple question. I'll also call it a religion for "freedom of religion" purposes. Time off work for feast days for example.



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There really is no harm in considering Thelema a Religion if it is your Will to do so.

However it is a great folly to consider Thelema a Religion in the same sense as it is used to-day. Thelema is taking religion the next step forward, it is only natural inertia and evolution. To understand this and the cycles involved is to be able to accept such 'Dogma' (is it dogma at all though?) without turning into a fanatic or slave.

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93,

I agree with both of you. The one thing I could never do is divide religion and philosophy. I guess that comes from too many years of studying religion in university (well and not really understanding philosophy proper). The way I look at it is that if it gives you a world view and a way to live within that world view it is a religion...yes even a soap opera could be a religion I suppose :wink: . To that you add, as already mentioned, symbols, sacred texts, ritual, etc. I have no problem calling Thelema a religion...but some times I have a hard time calling myself a Thelemite...if that makes sense. I found the link to lashtal posted as Thelema as Religion (2) in the index to be very enlightening...gods bless Bill. :mrgreen:

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The Lashtal post for folks not familiar with the site.
http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/index.php?n ... opic&t=128


from the The Equinox Vol III
The Law of Thelema offers a religion which fulfills all necessary conditions. The philosophy and metaphysics of Thelema are sound, and offer a solution of the deepest problems of humanity. The science of Thelema is orthodox; is has no false theories of Nature, no false fables of the origin of things. The psychology and ethics of Thelema are perfect. It has destroyed the damnable delusion of Original Sin, making every one unique, independent, supreme and sufficient.
So like I said... is Thelema a religion? YES and NO! even Crowley thinks so. ;)

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Original post: Kuroi Kaze

From my perspective, the Thelemic system has many layers and different strokes for different folks. In my opinion Thelema can be utilized as an anti-religious religion... though I personally no longer feel the need for this approach, I find other things in the Thelemic philosophy these days that help me in my current phase of self-development.

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