Original post: Abaivonin
I've waited a long time to perform my first Goetic operation anyone,with actual experience with the Goetia, have any suggestions about what Spirit to evoke for a first time?
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Original post: Ashnook
1. I love your sig.
2. Lady Hydralisk may be able to give you more insite as she has worked with MANY goetics
3. Reading the experiences of many other mages I would have to suggest Marbas.
1. I love your sig.
2. Lady Hydralisk may be able to give you more insite as she has worked with MANY goetics
3. Reading the experiences of many other mages I would have to suggest Marbas.
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Original post: Horus
Why don't you ask your intuitive self which one to evoke... it just seems wrong to ask others which one to evoke... that's like a poll on which magickal path you should take or something. But for what it's worth I hear good things about Orobas... from damn near everyone who's evoked him.
Why don't you ask your intuitive self which one to evoke... it just seems wrong to ask others which one to evoke... that's like a poll on which magickal path you should take or something. But for what it's worth I hear good things about Orobas... from damn near everyone who's evoked him.
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Original post: morphine
Andras.................:-) :-D :-D
Andras.................:-) :-D :-D
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Original post: hitman777
It depends. Which of them in their description is able to give you something that you want in your life? Really, there is no cut and dry answer for the rest of us to give you. Think about what attracted you to the Goetia, what you want, and which spirit fits the bill best for you right now. Things WILL happen following your evocation, they just might not happen in the way you are expecting. The Goetics WILL work for you, provided you can control them.
It depends. Which of them in their description is able to give you something that you want in your life? Really, there is no cut and dry answer for the rest of us to give you. Think about what attracted you to the Goetia, what you want, and which spirit fits the bill best for you right now. Things WILL happen following your evocation, they just might not happen in the way you are expecting. The Goetics WILL work for you, provided you can control them.
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Original post: Tzimtzum
Buer is a good choice as a first time evokation. He's one of the few that I still work with on occassion.
Buer is a good choice as a first time evokation. He's one of the few that I still work with on occassion.
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Original post: Redeemer
If you can figure out why in all honesty to yourself, you want to evoke, the chosen spirit will become apparent.
If you can figure out why in all honesty to yourself, you want to evoke, the chosen spirit will become apparent.
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Original post: Ashnook
I dont think he was looking for a specific answer.....IMHO I think what he was trying to ask was "Which goetics wont slay me for disturbing them......."
I dont think he was looking for a specific answer.....IMHO I think what he was trying to ask was "Which goetics wont slay me for disturbing them......."
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Original post: Jinjo21
Well theres two people in my town that I know that have even worked with goetic entities. They both started out by evoking dantalion(possibly because they are musicians?). And they say he is a kind gentle spirit. But I wouldnt know , never evoked the guy.
Well theres two people in my town that I know that have even worked with goetic entities. They both started out by evoking dantalion(possibly because they are musicians?). And they say he is a kind gentle spirit. But I wouldnt know , never evoked the guy.
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Original post: Gryzlgreedigutt
You have to follow your intuition. No one here can tel you the right demon for YOU! That said I have never heard anything negative about orobas either. As long as you've never hurt a horse you should be ok.
You have to follow your intuition. No one here can tel you the right demon for YOU! That said I have never heard anything negative about orobas either. As long as you've never hurt a horse you should be ok.
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Original post: Qryztufre
[QUOTE=Ashnook]I dont think he was looking for a specific answer.....IMHO I think what he was trying to ask was "Which goetics wont slay me for disturbing them......."[/QUOTE]
This certainly is REALLY close to the top of my list (or rather will be). I could give a rat's ass as to which one is the easiest, or which one could likely help me with my life the most. While help in my life (making myself a better person, or helping me achive a greater work) may be a better choice, it certainly won't help all the much if I'm dead.
I'd just assume stick with one that wont get all pissed off cuz I said something wrong, or in nervousness did something in reverse. While I'd do my damnedest to "Do it RIGHT the first time" I know that I often stumble when I'm put on the spot, and in progressing from reading all I can to actually performing a ritual like this I'd be bound to screw something up...it's just my nature. Even if the spirit in question wont/can't help me all that much when it's all said & done I'll be able to say to myself "At least I'm not dead!". I mean, I'd hate to summon one up just to pass out cuz the ritual actually worked just to get eaten or something
Once getting the first one outta the way I'd be more inclined to take it a few steps further, and start doing things with more confidence & less error...it's just that first one I'd fear the most.
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[QUOTE=Ashnook]I dont think he was looking for a specific answer.....IMHO I think what he was trying to ask was "Which goetics wont slay me for disturbing them......."[/QUOTE]
This certainly is REALLY close to the top of my list (or rather will be). I could give a rat's ass as to which one is the easiest, or which one could likely help me with my life the most. While help in my life (making myself a better person, or helping me achive a greater work) may be a better choice, it certainly won't help all the much if I'm dead.
I'd just assume stick with one that wont get all pissed off cuz I said something wrong, or in nervousness did something in reverse. While I'd do my damnedest to "Do it RIGHT the first time" I know that I often stumble when I'm put on the spot, and in progressing from reading all I can to actually performing a ritual like this I'd be bound to screw something up...it's just my nature. Even if the spirit in question wont/can't help me all that much when it's all said & done I'll be able to say to myself "At least I'm not dead!". I mean, I'd hate to summon one up just to pass out cuz the ritual actually worked just to get eaten or something
Once getting the first one outta the way I'd be more inclined to take it a few steps further, and start doing things with more confidence & less error...it's just that first one I'd fear the most.
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Original post: hitman777
Alright. I'll level with you. An earlier poster recommended Andras. I second this. Also, if you want his respect, instead of giving the Welcoming Unto the Spirit, just say,"Yo, dawg, you a bitch" in as thick and annoying an ebonics accent as you can. When you give him license to depart, it must be carefully adapted. You must say,"Get out my face, biznatch! Yo, I dare you to come messin' wit me, foo!"
Alright. I'll level with you. An earlier poster recommended Andras. I second this. Also, if you want his respect, instead of giving the Welcoming Unto the Spirit, just say,"Yo, dawg, you a bitch" in as thick and annoying an ebonics accent as you can. When you give him license to depart, it must be carefully adapted. You must say,"Get out my face, biznatch! Yo, I dare you to come messin' wit me, foo!"
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Original post: Qryztufre
I thought you stopped being a "comedian"
I thought you stopped being a "comedian"
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Original post: Gryzlgreedigutt
Dude... that was WACK
Dude... that was WACK
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Original post: Abaivonin
I wasn't looking to be spoonfed just advice from those with experiences.I appreciate the suggestions though. Also I'm not sure if my first evocation should be for some material reason,rather to interact and learn with a new type of being.
I wasn't looking to be spoonfed just advice from those with experiences.I appreciate the suggestions though. Also I'm not sure if my first evocation should be for some material reason,rather to interact and learn with a new type of being.
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Original post: Redeemer
[QUOTE=hitman777]Alright. I'll level with you. An earlier poster recommended Andras. I second this. Also, if you want his respect, instead of giving the Welcoming Unto the Spirit, just say,"Yo, dawg, you a bitch" in as thick and annoying an ebonics accent as you can. When you give him license to depart, it must be carefully adapted. You must say,"Get out my face, biznatch! Yo, I dare you to come messin' wit me, foo!"[/QUOTE]
I don't think he was entirely joking.
[QUOTE=hitman777]Alright. I'll level with you. An earlier poster recommended Andras. I second this. Also, if you want his respect, instead of giving the Welcoming Unto the Spirit, just say,"Yo, dawg, you a bitch" in as thick and annoying an ebonics accent as you can. When you give him license to depart, it must be carefully adapted. You must say,"Get out my face, biznatch! Yo, I dare you to come messin' wit me, foo!"[/QUOTE]
I don't think he was entirely joking.
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Original post: Fr.NovumOrganum
[QUOTE=Abaivonin]I wasn't looking to be spoonfed just advice from those with experiences.I appreciate the suggestions though. Also I'm not sure if my first evocation should be for some material reason,rather to interact and learn with a new type of being.[/QUOTE]
if you want to work with a new type of being, why not try an angel?
[QUOTE=Abaivonin]I wasn't looking to be spoonfed just advice from those with experiences.I appreciate the suggestions though. Also I'm not sure if my first evocation should be for some material reason,rather to interact and learn with a new type of being.[/QUOTE]
if you want to work with a new type of being, why not try an angel?
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Original post: erisdoe
Very funny Hitman and Morphine.:lol: Even the Satanic website "The Joy of Satan" warns against Andras. I recall Tzimtzum evoking him I think to learn about rage.
Very funny Hitman and Morphine.:lol: Even the Satanic website "The Joy of Satan" warns against Andras. I recall Tzimtzum evoking him I think to learn about rage.
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[QUOTE=Fr.NovumOrganum]if you want to work with a new type of being, why not try an angel?[/QUOTE]How would one go about doing that?
[QUOTE=Fr.NovumOrganum]if you want to work with a new type of being, why not try an angel?[/QUOTE]How would one go about doing that?
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Original post: Nero
The same way you would any spirit. Angels have sigils, just look them up. Or if all you have is a name there are various ways to create a sigil that will work. An angel might be a good choice but they are not all cute and fluffy. If this is your very first time might I suggest something small like an elemental?
The same way you would any spirit. Angels have sigils, just look them up. Or if all you have is a name there are various ways to create a sigil that will work. An angel might be a good choice but they are not all cute and fluffy. If this is your very first time might I suggest something small like an elemental?
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Original post: Mosieur D
angel can tell you "your needs aren't pure" or "I can't do that, this is not my boundary"
or even "I have to ask the archangel XYZ before I can do it"
demon ask you "what do you want? what you gonna give me back? deal!"
I don't think that summoning entity without any good reason is smart.
when need a powerful spell, you will know what kind of spirit you will need.
angel can tell you "your needs aren't pure" or "I can't do that, this is not my boundary"
or even "I have to ask the archangel XYZ before I can do it"
demon ask you "what do you want? what you gonna give me back? deal!"
I don't think that summoning entity without any good reason is smart.
when need a powerful spell, you will know what kind of spirit you will need.
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Original post: Lawrence "Diablo" Leon
May I sugesst attainint communication with your Holy Guardian Angel, through Abramelin, Liber Sameck or even Bardon´s method, and asking him?
Look through the "Practice of Magickal Evocation" book, by Franz Bardon, or "Summoning Spirits", by Konstantinos. There are nice (beware, nice is NOT fluffy!) Spirits you can contact.
May I sugesst attainint communication with your Holy Guardian Angel, through Abramelin, Liber Sameck or even Bardon´s method, and asking him?
Look through the "Practice of Magickal Evocation" book, by Franz Bardon, or "Summoning Spirits", by Konstantinos. There are nice (beware, nice is NOT fluffy!) Spirits you can contact.
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Original post: Abaivonin
I've worked with angels and elementals but have waited to expand into the "demonic" which I do find far more fascinating.
I've worked with angels and elementals but have waited to expand into the "demonic" which I do find far more fascinating.
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Beware my friend when conjuring demons and/or fallen angels( ESPECIALLY BELIAL & AGOGATTON) some come in forms that might scare u crazy.But if ur looking for good demons... my suggestons are BEAL,OSE,SEERE,MARBAS,and VINE.
Beware my friend when conjuring demons and/or fallen angels( ESPECIALLY BELIAL & AGOGATTON) some come in forms that might scare u crazy.But if ur looking for good demons... my suggestons are BEAL,OSE,SEERE,MARBAS,and VINE.