Original post: tigerfu
What do you know about astral projection and christianity, i mean, do they contradict, or do christians astral project too. im wondering cause im a christian interested in AP and i cant find very much about it in the bible, unless its considered witchcraft
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Astral Projection is nondenominational and accepts everyone.
Unless you're a cabbage.
Astral Projection is nondenominational and accepts everyone.
Unless you're a cabbage.
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Original post: tigerfu
can ya give me a little more than that
can ya give me a little more than that
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Original post: DropAndRiver
Astral projection does not contradict Christianity, but going to the astral planes often reshapes people's beliefs. Pedero was very correct in saying that astral projection is nondenominational. You don't have to worry about getting possessed or doing anything immoral, because astral projection is a very natural function. The Christian Bible says very little about such practices, and the verses that do mention most forms of mysticism or similar practices contradict themselves; when it comes to Christians forming opinions on astral projection and the like, they are pretty much on their own. Even still, astral projection was widely acknowledged in the majority of ancient cultures through metaphor and symbolism (and sometimes outright mentioning) so it cannot be pegged directly to anyone set of beliefs as opposed to another.
Astral projection does not contradict Christianity, but going to the astral planes often reshapes people's beliefs. Pedero was very correct in saying that astral projection is nondenominational. You don't have to worry about getting possessed or doing anything immoral, because astral projection is a very natural function. The Christian Bible says very little about such practices, and the verses that do mention most forms of mysticism or similar practices contradict themselves; when it comes to Christians forming opinions on astral projection and the like, they are pretty much on their own. Even still, astral projection was widely acknowledged in the majority of ancient cultures through metaphor and symbolism (and sometimes outright mentioning) so it cannot be pegged directly to anyone set of beliefs as opposed to another.
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Original post: ShekinahMoon
Every one astral projects at sometime. Personally, I think the writers of the books of Revelations, Daniel and Isaiah did some serious astral projecting. Revelations 4:1-2
[quote] After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, â??Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.â?Â
Every one astral projects at sometime. Personally, I think the writers of the books of Revelations, Daniel and Isaiah did some serious astral projecting. Revelations 4:1-2
[quote] After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, â??Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.â?Â
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To continue with what SM said - just about any time the Bible speaks of a person being "in the spirit" before a vision, they're astrally projecting. What do you think Ezekiel was doing when he was being shown the 3rd Temple?
To continue with what SM said - just about any time the Bible speaks of a person being "in the spirit" before a vision, they're astrally projecting. What do you think Ezekiel was doing when he was being shown the 3rd Temple?
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Original post: Chahel
[QUOTE=tigerfu]What do you know about astral projection and christianity, i mean, do they contradict, or do christians astral project too. im wondering cause im a christian interested in AP and i cant find very much about it in the bible, unless its considered witchcraft(which i dont do anymore cause i think its evil)[/QUOTE]
Yes, Christians astral project. It is something that happens naturally, even without trying. I doubt that there is any conflict because one of the simplest ways to move around while one is absent from the physical is by repeating the name of Christ. For me it is like a vortex. That is, if you desire a religious projection. Please post any success that you have.
[QUOTE=tigerfu]What do you know about astral projection and christianity, i mean, do they contradict, or do christians astral project too. im wondering cause im a christian interested in AP and i cant find very much about it in the bible, unless its considered witchcraft(which i dont do anymore cause i think its evil)[/QUOTE]
Yes, Christians astral project. It is something that happens naturally, even without trying. I doubt that there is any conflict because one of the simplest ways to move around while one is absent from the physical is by repeating the name of Christ. For me it is like a vortex. That is, if you desire a religious projection. Please post any success that you have.
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Original post: tigerfu
The only success ive had is when i bought this download off the internet that you listen to that is suppose to help you project, some other people ive talked to say when they are practicing they sometimes get cold chills and there eyes want to open, and they see things, ive only tried the download twice because i got it last night, but i got cold chills and my eyes wanted to open, and one time it seemed like i seen a flash of light for a second which scared me and i opened my eyes, but as far as a real AP, i havent had one yet, but i'll tell ya more when i get a chance to try it again.
The only success ive had is when i bought this download off the internet that you listen to that is suppose to help you project, some other people ive talked to say when they are practicing they sometimes get cold chills and there eyes want to open, and they see things, ive only tried the download twice because i got it last night, but i got cold chills and my eyes wanted to open, and one time it seemed like i seen a flash of light for a second which scared me and i opened my eyes, but as far as a real AP, i havent had one yet, but i'll tell ya more when i get a chance to try it again.
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Original post: Samhain
If you consider witchcraft to be "evil", you should probably avoid using astral projection, as it's used mostly by occultists, including witches. On the other hand, perhaps you should consider the possibility that you've been misinformed. Witchcraft, per se, is simply one method of affecting change in the world around you, and in yourself. And, like other tools, it can be used for positive or negative purposes.
As for astral projection itself, it definitely is an occult practice, and most of the christians I know would be against trying it. There are some christian occultists, especially here at OF, but most christians would condemn them for meddling in something that encourages self-empowerment.
If you consider witchcraft to be "evil", you should probably avoid using astral projection, as it's used mostly by occultists, including witches. On the other hand, perhaps you should consider the possibility that you've been misinformed. Witchcraft, per se, is simply one method of affecting change in the world around you, and in yourself. And, like other tools, it can be used for positive or negative purposes.
As for astral projection itself, it definitely is an occult practice, and most of the christians I know would be against trying it. There are some christian occultists, especially here at OF, but most christians would condemn them for meddling in something that encourages self-empowerment.
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Original post: ShekinahMoon
[QUOTE=Samhain]....most christians would condemn them for meddling in something that encourages self-empowerment.[/QUOTE]
Ain't that just sad. I used to be on Christian Forums and tried to discuss more Metaphysical views of Christianity and well that didn't go over well with some of them. Hmmm, took them about three months to ban me :lol: . All because I would not take down the cross as my religious symbol. (Each person had to choose from a list of symbols to identify their beliefs. And they wanted me to no longer use the cross. Riggggggggt) I learned at that point to never try to help another mainstream Christian concerning spiritual understandings. Ever.
[QUOTE=Samhain]....most christians would condemn them for meddling in something that encourages self-empowerment.[/QUOTE]
Ain't that just sad. I used to be on Christian Forums and tried to discuss more Metaphysical views of Christianity and well that didn't go over well with some of them. Hmmm, took them about three months to ban me :lol: . All because I would not take down the cross as my religious symbol. (Each person had to choose from a list of symbols to identify their beliefs. And they wanted me to no longer use the cross. Riggggggggt) I learned at that point to never try to help another mainstream Christian concerning spiritual understandings. Ever.
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Original post: Exorcist
[QUOTE=tigerfu]What do you know about astral projection and christianity, i mean, do they contradict, or do christians astral project too. im wondering cause im a christian interested in AP and i cant find very much about it in the bible, unless its considered witchcraft(which i dont do anymore cause i think its evil)[/QUOTE]In Second Corinthians 12 we read of the apostle Paul describing an experience that many in the occult refer to as an out of body experience (or astral projection). Paul writes, â??I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows. And I know that this man--whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows-- was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell.â?Â
[QUOTE=tigerfu]What do you know about astral projection and christianity, i mean, do they contradict, or do christians astral project too. im wondering cause im a christian interested in AP and i cant find very much about it in the bible, unless its considered witchcraft(which i dont do anymore cause i think its evil)[/QUOTE]In Second Corinthians 12 we read of the apostle Paul describing an experience that many in the occult refer to as an out of body experience (or astral projection). Paul writes, â??I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows. And I know that this man--whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows-- was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell.â?Â
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Original post: DropAndRiver
That astral projection opens one to possesion is pure myth. I have being going into trance for quite some time, and people have been projecting since there were people to project and there has been no documented case of demonic possesion. Unless proof that can be accepted by logical reason can be presented, it is completely purposeless to believe such a self-limiting thing. Tiger, if you want to project go for it. Nothing but good can come out of it unless you want something bad to come out of it, which I doubt.
That astral projection opens one to possesion is pure myth. I have being going into trance for quite some time, and people have been projecting since there were people to project and there has been no documented case of demonic possesion. Unless proof that can be accepted by logical reason can be presented, it is completely purposeless to believe such a self-limiting thing. Tiger, if you want to project go for it. Nothing but good can come out of it unless you want something bad to come out of it, which I doubt.
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Original post: ShekinahMoon
[QUOTE=DropAndRiver]That astral projection opens one to possesion is pure myth. I have being going into trance for quite some time, and people have been projecting since there were people to project and there has been no documented case of demonic possesion. Unless proof that can be accepted by logical reason can be presented, it is completely purposeless to believe such a self-limiting thing. Tiger, if you want to project go for it. Nothing but good can come out of it unless you want something bad to come out of it, which I doubt.[/QUOTE]
But possession does happen. That is revealed in just about every religion (now HOW it is perceived changes from religion to religion). So if possession does happen why could it not happen while one is in a trance. Unless there is the idea that possession can only happen by invitation/invocation?
[QUOTE=DropAndRiver]That astral projection opens one to possesion is pure myth. I have being going into trance for quite some time, and people have been projecting since there were people to project and there has been no documented case of demonic possesion. Unless proof that can be accepted by logical reason can be presented, it is completely purposeless to believe such a self-limiting thing. Tiger, if you want to project go for it. Nothing but good can come out of it unless you want something bad to come out of it, which I doubt.[/QUOTE]
But possession does happen. That is revealed in just about every religion (now HOW it is perceived changes from religion to religion). So if possession does happen why could it not happen while one is in a trance. Unless there is the idea that possession can only happen by invitation/invocation?
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Original post: perpetualsound
It's quotes like that that make me angry - no religion is evil, apart from those in whose name thousands of another religion are killed. Such as Christianity, my friend, which mercilessly persecuted thousands of witches over the globe. Also, has it not occurred to you, with your christian standpoint, that witchcraft in its purest form is using the forces of nature, which you believe that your god created to the greater good? How is this evil in any way?
Open your mind to witchcraft in all its forms - it is, after all, exactly what you do on Sundays - invoking the spirit of Christ and of God to heal the sick, help you with day to day life. You're just summoning up different deities to ours.
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OK, back on topic... there are several old-testament references to astral Projection, and spirits manifesting themselves in various forms, if you read it carefully.
[rant]unless its considered witchcraft(which i dont do anymore cause i think its evil)
It's quotes like that that make me angry - no religion is evil, apart from those in whose name thousands of another religion are killed. Such as Christianity, my friend, which mercilessly persecuted thousands of witches over the globe. Also, has it not occurred to you, with your christian standpoint, that witchcraft in its purest form is using the forces of nature, which you believe that your god created to the greater good? How is this evil in any way?
Open your mind to witchcraft in all its forms - it is, after all, exactly what you do on Sundays - invoking the spirit of Christ and of God to heal the sick, help you with day to day life. You're just summoning up different deities to ours.
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OK, back on topic... there are several old-testament references to astral Projection, and spirits manifesting themselves in various forms, if you read it carefully.
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Original post: tigerfu
[QUOTE=perpetualsound][rant]
It's quotes like that that make me angry - no religion is evil, apart from those in whose name thousands of another religion are killed. Such as Christianity, my friend, which mercilessly persecuted thousands of witches over the globe. Also, has it not occurred to you, with your christian standpoint, that witchcraft in its purest form is using the forces of nature, which you believe that your god created to the greater good? How is this evil in any way?
Open your mind to witchcraft in all its forms - it is, after all, exactly what you do on Sundays - invoking the spirit of Christ and of God to heal the sick, help you with day to day life. You're just summoning up different deities to ours.
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OK, back on topic... there are several old-testament references to astral Projection, and spirits manifesting themselves in various forms, if you read it carefully.[/QUOTE]didnt mean to make people mad, but at one time i considered myself a christian witch and i did a few spells and some other stuff and they would work but in the end usually nothing but negative would come out of it causing you to use another spell to fix the problem you just made, its like a continuous cycle or something, and the whole time i was doing these spells and stuff it just didnt seem right i felt like i was doing something evil, so i quit and went back to prayer and to be honest after i did witchcraft and got over it, i became a better christian than what i was before i started witchcraft so in a way, it actually helped me in the end, but i dont believe its right anymore cause the bible says it isnt and it just didnt feel right to do it, so i went back to prayer and its a lot easier and everything works out better in the end. back to astral projection, do you care to put up some of these verus so i can look em up
[QUOTE=perpetualsound][rant]
It's quotes like that that make me angry - no religion is evil, apart from those in whose name thousands of another religion are killed. Such as Christianity, my friend, which mercilessly persecuted thousands of witches over the globe. Also, has it not occurred to you, with your christian standpoint, that witchcraft in its purest form is using the forces of nature, which you believe that your god created to the greater good? How is this evil in any way?
Open your mind to witchcraft in all its forms - it is, after all, exactly what you do on Sundays - invoking the spirit of Christ and of God to heal the sick, help you with day to day life. You're just summoning up different deities to ours.
[/rant]
OK, back on topic... there are several old-testament references to astral Projection, and spirits manifesting themselves in various forms, if you read it carefully.[/QUOTE]didnt mean to make people mad, but at one time i considered myself a christian witch and i did a few spells and some other stuff and they would work but in the end usually nothing but negative would come out of it causing you to use another spell to fix the problem you just made, its like a continuous cycle or something, and the whole time i was doing these spells and stuff it just didnt seem right i felt like i was doing something evil, so i quit and went back to prayer and to be honest after i did witchcraft and got over it, i became a better christian than what i was before i started witchcraft so in a way, it actually helped me in the end, but i dont believe its right anymore cause the bible says it isnt and it just didnt feel right to do it, so i went back to prayer and its a lot easier and everything works out better in the end. back to astral projection, do you care to put up some of these verus so i can look em up
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Original post: Exorcist
[QUOTE=ShekinahMoon]But possession does happen. That is revealed in just about every religion (now HOW it is perceived changes from religion to religion). So if possession does happen why could it not happen while one is in a trance. Unless there is the idea that possession can only happen by invitation/invocation?[/QUOTE] Very insightful and right on. When one astral projects, possession is quite possible but at very least spiritual forces are at work externally (the body or soul nature)
[QUOTE=ShekinahMoon]But possession does happen. That is revealed in just about every religion (now HOW it is perceived changes from religion to religion). So if possession does happen why could it not happen while one is in a trance. Unless there is the idea that possession can only happen by invitation/invocation?[/QUOTE] Very insightful and right on. When one astral projects, possession is quite possible but at very least spiritual forces are at work externally (the body or soul nature)
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Original post: Samhain
Exorcist, your point of view can only be taken as valid if one believes that your holy book, a jumbled collection of tales by a variety of authors, is in fact the inspired word of a god. And that's not something I believe.
Astral projection can be done safely, and with positive results. And you can also get into trouble if you fool around with it without knowing what you're doing. But that's true of heavy machinery, as well. And not too many people explain that in terms of demonic possession. Or do you have a story for us about someone who ran over their neighbour with a road grader after becoming possessed by a demon?
Exorcist, your point of view can only be taken as valid if one believes that your holy book, a jumbled collection of tales by a variety of authors, is in fact the inspired word of a god. And that's not something I believe.
Astral projection can be done safely, and with positive results. And you can also get into trouble if you fool around with it without knowing what you're doing. But that's true of heavy machinery, as well. And not too many people explain that in terms of demonic possession. Or do you have a story for us about someone who ran over their neighbour with a road grader after becoming possessed by a demon?
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[QUOTE=Samhain]Exorcist, your point of view can only be taken as valid if one believes that your holy book, a jumbled collection of tales by a variety of authors, is in fact the inspired word of a god. And that's not something I believe.[/QUOTE]In Monroe's book "Far Journeys" one of the people in his clinic theoretically got Possesed...so it's in more then just that Good Book. One the Astral Entities took control of the person's body to speak with the Researchers.
I'd also agree that spiritual forces (or at least spirit forces, which can often be one in the same) are at work while one goes Astral and I certainly don't adhere to his religion (in fact I really dislike it).
However I would like to point out that the fella that wrote Revalations was "in spirit" when he traveled to heaven...so while it (the bible) may not say to seek AP/OOB out it certainly does not seem like a mortal sin (if Jesus hangs out with astral buddies).
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[QUOTE=Samhain]Exorcist, your point of view can only be taken as valid if one believes that your holy book, a jumbled collection of tales by a variety of authors, is in fact the inspired word of a god. And that's not something I believe.[/QUOTE]In Monroe's book "Far Journeys" one of the people in his clinic theoretically got Possesed...so it's in more then just that Good Book. One the Astral Entities took control of the person's body to speak with the Researchers.
I'd also agree that spiritual forces (or at least spirit forces, which can often be one in the same) are at work while one goes Astral and I certainly don't adhere to his religion (in fact I really dislike it).
However I would like to point out that the fella that wrote Revalations was "in spirit" when he traveled to heaven...so while it (the bible) may not say to seek AP/OOB out it certainly does not seem like a mortal sin (if Jesus hangs out with astral buddies).
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When one astral projects who is maintaining the body for the soul has left the body. But then again that can not be the case because a body with no soul is dead. Right? If one leaves their body unattended why can not a spirit attack the body to possess it?
When one astral projects who is maintaining the body for the soul has left the body. But then again that can not be the case because a body with no soul is dead. Right? If one leaves their body unattended why can not a spirit attack the body to possess it?
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Original post: Exorcist
Moon, you are very perceptive on these issues.
Humans are made up of three parts--body, soul (the mind, the emotions, and will) and spirit (the God consciousness immaterial aspect). If the soul leaves the body nature the spirit is still present.ShekinahMoon wrote:When one astral projects who is maintaining the body for the soul has left the body.
When one participates in soul travel you allow your body to be unprotected as your soul, which consist of the mind, emotions, and will, leaves your body. It is the mind (part of the soul nature), which wards off evil. It is our free will that lends us the ability to resist the devil and his demons. When you permit your soul to leave your body, essentially youâ??re leaving a door open for demons to enter your body at any point.But then again that can not be the case because a body with no soul is dead. Right? If one leaves their body unattended why can not a spirit attack the body to possess it?
Moon, you are very perceptive on these issues.
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Original post: tigerfu
does that mean you wouldnt be able to get back in your body
does that mean you wouldnt be able to get back in your body
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[QUOTE=tigerfu]does that mean you wouldnt be able to get back in your body[/QUOTE] You would still be able to re-enter but you'll likely find a unwanted visitor present.
[QUOTE=tigerfu]does that mean you wouldnt be able to get back in your body[/QUOTE] You would still be able to re-enter but you'll likely find a unwanted visitor present.
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[QUOTE=tigerfu]does that mean you wouldnt be able to get back in your body[/QUOTE]You would still be able to re-enter but you'll likely find a unwanted visitor present.[/QUOTE]
That's assuming that you get possessed which statistically is RARE indeed! You'd likely have a better chance at hitting the lottery then getting possessed while Astral.
You can ask Angels to be your guardian, you can use prayer, and of course there is FAITH which if strong can overpower any entity. The ONLY thing a christian should fear is God himself. Short of that God will provide.
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[QUOTE=tigerfu]does that mean you wouldnt be able to get back in your body[/QUOTE]You would still be able to re-enter but you'll likely find a unwanted visitor present.[/QUOTE]
That's assuming that you get possessed which statistically is RARE indeed! You'd likely have a better chance at hitting the lottery then getting possessed while Astral.
You can ask Angels to be your guardian, you can use prayer, and of course there is FAITH which if strong can overpower any entity. The ONLY thing a christian should fear is God himself. Short of that God will provide.
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I just want to know how astral projection would be ok for a christian to do, if it is, i think God would protect me from any demon.
I just want to know how astral projection would be ok for a christian to do, if it is, i think God would protect me from any demon.
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Original post: Qryztufre
[QUOTE=tigerfu]I just want to know how astral projection would be ok for a christian to do, if it is, i think God would protect me from any demon.[/QUOTE]
I can not tell you it's safe. I will say it's statistically not harmful though...but there is ALWAYS risk. I can also not tell you if God will protect you or not. Only YOU can tell yourself that.
Is your faith strong?
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[QUOTE=tigerfu]I just want to know how astral projection would be ok for a christian to do, if it is, i think God would protect me from any demon.[/QUOTE]
I can not tell you it's safe. I will say it's statistically not harmful though...but there is ALWAYS risk. I can also not tell you if God will protect you or not. Only YOU can tell yourself that.
Is your faith strong?
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