So I was reading this thing and...well... [zomg]
To someone who remains convinced that all non-Christian magic is evil or...well, they wouldn't find any opposition in this. Maybe it's just the research I've been doing on various cults, but this whole process seems incredibly cult-like.
I'm frankly amazed that, for all the people who accused Crowley of being a Satanist (compared his funeral to a Black Mass, etc.), not one of them singled this out. I can see how anyone who wasn't extremely open-minded would object to it.
That being said, it'd be interesting to try this at some point, if all the moral/legal/ethical conundrums could be resolved. If I eventually got married, it would make one hell of a honeymoon. [rofl]
De Homunculo Epistola
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I have no idea what this is,but you've certainly piqued my curiosity. [thumbup]
I'm going to go search now,see if I can find information. [grin]
The Epistle [as in letter or book]of Homunculus,says my poorly remembered Latin?
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https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=ca ... XwrQ&pli=1
My that's a long link.This?
Ah,yes,I do remember this.It was discussed once on a forum I used to frequent.I also wonder if we have any archived topics here that might relate?
I recall a lot of argument and controversy,as more than a few folk took exception to interfering with/imperiling an unborn child's immortal soul,as they saw it and it all got rather heated in the end.
At three months gestation the foetus has fingerprints,these are unique to the individual.
I wonder if that might implicate a sense of overall individuality that may be already inherent,meaning that perhaps insertion of an external soul may not take,as there is already a self prescience there?
I would question the assumption of foetal 'soul' not being present already at this stage.
That's what I meant to say,all speculative of course,but it's an interesting subject,if we can discuss it hypothetically and without offended sensibilites coming in somewhere. [thumbup]
I'm going to go search now,see if I can find information. [grin]
The Epistle [as in letter or book]of Homunculus,says my poorly remembered Latin?
Back soon.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=ca ... XwrQ&pli=1
My that's a long link.This?
Ah,yes,I do remember this.It was discussed once on a forum I used to frequent.I also wonder if we have any archived topics here that might relate?
I recall a lot of argument and controversy,as more than a few folk took exception to interfering with/imperiling an unborn child's immortal soul,as they saw it and it all got rather heated in the end.
At three months gestation the foetus has fingerprints,these are unique to the individual.
I wonder if that might implicate a sense of overall individuality that may be already inherent,meaning that perhaps insertion of an external soul may not take,as there is already a self prescience there?
I would question the assumption of foetal 'soul' not being present already at this stage.
That's what I meant to say,all speculative of course,but it's an interesting subject,if we can discuss it hypothetically and without offended sensibilites coming in somewhere. [thumbup]
"He lived his words, spoke his own actions and his story and the story of the world ran parallel."
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Re: De Homunculo Epistola
I was actually referring to the fact that the woman has to be kept basically in one place for the whole nine months (compare that to many cults' kidnapping crimes) as something which would draw the most objections. And for good reason; she would have to be briefed extremely thoroughly.
But you bring up a very good point. I had actually never thought about what effects such an operation might have on the child if it didn't go perfectly, and I think it's worth discussion. I'd imagine some OTO or AA branch has tried this at some point, but they'd be right to keep it to themselves; otherwise people could simply ask them how it went.
But you bring up a very good point. I had actually never thought about what effects such an operation might have on the child if it didn't go perfectly, and I think it's worth discussion. I'd imagine some OTO or AA branch has tried this at some point, but they'd be right to keep it to themselves; otherwise people could simply ask them how it went.
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I'm thinking of all sorts of things,with this,lol.
I'm a bit scattered,but here are some more thoughts...
What of genetic memory,if it's true that we carry unconscious or inherited memory in the genes [I'm a fan of this concept,it makes a lot of sense to me] then that could also be a problem for an incoming entity?
There would be preexisting patterns in place,for intuitive responses and 'instinctual behaviours' that an incomer may find difficult to blend with or absorb.
Though,Spirit possession does seem to show that two entities can co inhabit a mind,for at least a short time,but it also seems that one must subjugate the other for this to be successful.
A battle for the soul,indeed.
The mother to be being confined is not really healthy,for her or the baby.That is a problem.Unless there is medical necessity [i.e incompetent cervix] it's a really bad idea,healthwise.
I also think the mother should be a competent practising magickian in her own right as she is just as invested in this as any other participant,she should be more than just a willing vessel.Times,they've changed since the good old days.
I think this ritual,were it to be performed [again: purely hypothetically speaking'] it would need a lot of tweaking and updating,especially given that our understanding of pregnancy and motherhood has evolved a lot since it's inception.
I'm a bit scattered,but here are some more thoughts...
What of genetic memory,if it's true that we carry unconscious or inherited memory in the genes [I'm a fan of this concept,it makes a lot of sense to me] then that could also be a problem for an incoming entity?
There would be preexisting patterns in place,for intuitive responses and 'instinctual behaviours' that an incomer may find difficult to blend with or absorb.
Though,Spirit possession does seem to show that two entities can co inhabit a mind,for at least a short time,but it also seems that one must subjugate the other for this to be successful.
A battle for the soul,indeed.
The mother to be being confined is not really healthy,for her or the baby.That is a problem.Unless there is medical necessity [i.e incompetent cervix] it's a really bad idea,healthwise.
I also think the mother should be a competent practising magickian in her own right as she is just as invested in this as any other participant,she should be more than just a willing vessel.Times,they've changed since the good old days.
I think this ritual,were it to be performed [again: purely hypothetically speaking'] it would need a lot of tweaking and updating,especially given that our understanding of pregnancy and motherhood has evolved a lot since it's inception.
"He lived his words, spoke his own actions and his story and the story of the world ran parallel."
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Sartre speaking of Che Guevara.
Re: De Homunculo Epistola
This, this, this. 100%. If worst came to worse and some kind of malevolent entity were attracted instead of a planetary intelligence/whatever, she should be able to be actively involved in her own (and the baby's) protection.Nahemah wrote:I also think the mother should be a competent practising magickian in her own right as she is just as invested in this as any other participant,she should be more than just a willing vessel.Times,they've changed since the good old days.
This goes along with your other point above. For all the revising and updating that more well-known documents and books like The Middle Pillar get, someone should take a crack at editing this one to be less dated.Nahemah wrote:I think this ritual,were it to be performed [again: purely hypothetically speaking'] it would need a lot of tweaking and updating,especially given that our understanding of pregnancy and motherhood has evolved a lot since it's inception.