Occult & Magic in Nazi germany

[Karveor]

Nazi secrets are weird enough. It is therefore unnecessary to add wishful fantasies to the genuine historical facts in the field of Nazi occultism, especially when it comes to their expeditions, and their “scientific” researches.
The true amateur of sensational and strange stories can still be fully satisfied with Himmler's Witch Project, or the Hollow Earth Theory.
In many aspects, the Nazi era was like a breach in space and time. What happened during these almost 12 years of dictatorship, at the heart of Europe, in one of the most civilized and industrially advanced country, does not match the moral, philosophical and religious values that existed everywhere else at the same time in the world. There is therefore a need to revisit all historical proven facts linked to Nazi oddities that one rarely finds in mainstream historians' books.
The book https://www.createspace.com/4247285 aims at separating these facts, how esoteric and strange they can be, from Post War fabrications and commercial lies found on the Internet. The amateur of mysteries and dark secrets will not be disappointed though since in this quest reality is often stranger than fiction.

Who knows more about secret ceremonials in the crypt of the SS Castle at Wewelsburg initiated by Himmler ?

[Nahemah]

As this is advertising a book for sale,I've moved it to the Bazaar folder.

In many aspects, the Nazi era was like a breach in space and time. What happened during these almost 12 years of dictatorship, at the heart of Europe, in one of the most civilized and industrially advanced country, does not match the moral, philosophical and religious values that existed everywhere else at the same time in the world. There is therefore a need to revisit all historical proven facts linked to Nazi oddities that one rarely finds in mainstream historians' books.

I disagree with the above statement.

Nazi policies on Eugenics,in just one of several instances, were indeed consistent with multiple other Western/First World countries of that era.And so on...

Ans the Hollow Earth stuff [Vril power,Thule society etc...] is riffed from Blavatsky and Theosophy/Ariosophy,which was rather popular in certain society circles and social classes,throughout Europe,in the decades up to and including the Nazi era.

However,as I can't see what potential counter evidence you hold to defend/uphold the above quoted views unless I buy the book ,I think perhaps further attempts at discussing this issue here may be somewhat stifled?

[Asurendra]

Nahema is correct about eugenics, which was the core of Nazi policy. But it goes farther, as the Nazis learned this from the US and the British.
There are many documentaries about the Nazis and the occult.

[Nahemah]

Nahema is correct about eugenics, which was the core of Nazi policy. But it goes farther, as the Nazis learned this from the US and the British.
There are many documentaries about the Nazis and the occult.

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Eugenics, the social movement claiming to improve the genetic features of human populations through selective breeding and sterilization,[1] based on the idea that it is possible to distinguish between superior and inferior elements of society,[2] played a significant role in the history and culture of the United States prior to its involvement in World War II.[3]

Eugenics was practised in the United States many years before eugenics programs in Nazi Germany[4] and actually, U.S. programs provided much of the inspiration for the latter.[5][6][7] Stefan Kühl has documented the consensus between Nazi race policies and those of eugenicists in other countries, including the United States, and points out that eugenicists understood Nazi policies and measures as the realization of their goals and demands.[5]

A hallmark of the Progressive Era of the late 19th and early 20th century, now generally associated with racist and nativist elements (as the movement was to some extent a reaction to a change in emigration from Europe) rather than scientific genetics, eugenics was considered a method of preserving and improving the dominant groups in the population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_i ... ted_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_Society_%28UK%29

http://www.hsl.virginia.edu/historical/ ... rigins.cfm

http://www.understandingrace.org/histor ... sical.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_hygiene


And.here's another interesting resource/reference :


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Levenda

[Asurendra]

Thank you for the links.

If I remember correctly, the occult luminary for the Nazis was Guido Von Listz.

[Nahemah]

He was one influence,yes,but not exclusively so.

See the full article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_von_List

Guido von List was strongly influenced by the Theosophical thought of Madame Blavatsky, which he blended with his own racial religious beliefs, founded upon Germanic paganism.

List called his doctrine “Armanism” (after the Armanen, supposedly the heirs of the sun-king, a body of priest-kings in the ancient Ario-Germanic nation). Armanism was concerned with the esoteric doctrines of the gnosis (distinct from the exoteric doctrine intended for the lower social classes, Wotanism)...


...This conception bears strong resemblance to many other 19th century romanticised ideas of ancient polytheistic religions in Europe; a comparatively similar text in the thematic elements and overall textual bias is the famous Oera Linda forgery from the Lowlands region of western Europe.

He also believed in magical powers of the old runes. In 1891 he claimed that heraldry was based on the magic of the runes. In April 1903, he had sent an article concerning the alleged Aryan proto-language to the Imperial Academy of Sciences in Vienna. Its highlight was a mystical and occult interpretation of the runic alphabet. Although the article was rejected by the academy, it would later be expanded by List and become the basis for his entire ideology.

*Among his ideological followers was Lanz von Liebenfels. More controversially, some allege that, in his pagan-Theosophical synthesis, List developed the direct precursor of occult Nazism. His defenders counter that any influence was indirect and inconsequential; in Nazi Germany the strongest occult influence upon Heinrich Himmler, the head of the SS, was Brigadeführer Karl Maria Wiligut who believed List's Armanism to be a heresy from his own ancestral religion of Irminism and had various of List's followers interned in concentration camps.**

List's concept of renouncing Christianity, a Semitic religion intertwined with Judaism, and returning to the pagan religions of the ancient Europeans did nevertheless find some supporters within the Nazi party and is favoured by some advocates of Neo-Nazism and White Nationalism in their turn. Germanic paganism has, as a result, been linked to Nazism since the early twentieth century — unfairly, in the eyes of many pagan revivalists.

List’s Ariosophy was closely related to the philosophy of the Thule Society. In 1919, Anton Drexler, a member of the Thule Society, founded the German Workers’ Party (DAP), the predecessor of the Nazi party (NSDAP). List’s prophecy that a “German Messiah” would save Germany after World War I was popular among Thule members. Thule member and publicist Dietrich Eckart expressed his anticipation in a poem he published in 1919, months before he met Hitler for the first time. In the poem, Eckart refers to ‘the Great One’, ‘the Nameless One’, ‘Whom all can sense but no one saw’. When the Thules met Hitler in 1919, many believed him to be the prophesied redeemer. As most Thule members were socially and politically influential, their faith was crucial to Hitler’s meteoric rise.

Claiming that Nazi Ideologies were a thing apart from, or indeed an anomaly to, their relevant era and that such policies were atypical of social structure /national laws [et al] in the rest of the Western world sails close enough to revisionism for a red flag to be raised.

That is all.So far. [thumbup]

[Frumens]

You don't have to go back in time to find eugenics in the rich Western world.

http://www.sacbee.com/2013/07/07/554969 ... ornia.html

[manonthepath]

Quite right Guido Von List and the Thule Gesellschaft were quite relevant to the Ariosophist views of the Nazis. You might want to look into "Karl Maria Wiligut" as well. I have done some considerable research along these lines and can refer you to two excellent works on this topic. The "Reality" of Nazi occultism may be disappointing to some.

Steven Flowers & Michael Moynihan. "The Secret King: the Myth & Reality of Nazi Occultism." Dominion Ferral House, 2007

Nicoholas Goodrick-Clark. "The Occult Roots of Nazism: Secret Aryan Cults & their Influence on Nazi Idiology." New York University Press. 1992.