Hello guys and gals,
I'm a really down to earth person and I dont believe in the paranormal.
So I did a ritual from the Goetia to call forth Marbas. Since I dont believe in it anyways, I wasnt scared at all and i thought... might aswell try it out.
That was about a year ago.
During and after the ritual nothing happend, as I expected.
But slowly, gradually, my health started to deteriorate in the course of the past year. Stupid medical things... Like suddenly I have migrain and I have an eye infection that just doesnt cure.
Abdominal pains for no reason. You see, at first it didnt strike me as odd. I never had any medical issues. and i mean never. but, you know,
I dont believe in the paranormal so I never made any connections to 'that ritual I did one time'.
In this same year, I have found that my drinking glasses are cracking without reason. I had to throw out like 10 glasses in the course of this year. Simply because they have cracks running down all over them.
I also started dreaming weird... That i'm fighting with lions or stealing things from stores. Like, not sneaky stealing, but completly pillaging and looting warehouses.
My neighbour, out of the blue, said I might be haunted.. Mostly on account of the broken glasses... I laughed, because you know... I dont believe...
But as I started thinking back... The eye infection started in the same week as I did the ritual... Yes, i have an eye infection for about year now... both eyes actually. Its ridiculous.
And my medical issues seem to be getting more and more.
So I searched the internet for the book I used, I forgot the name and I finally found it back. The Lesser key of Solomon.
When I read through the pages... I have to admit... I was kinda shocked...
Because that spirit I called forth was Marbas, I picked him because I could draw his seal easily and I was sure how to pronounce his name.
I was shocked because he appears as a lion.. appearantly... And im dreaming of fighting with a lion.
It also said he causes disease... and that's my other problem...
So now, just to make sure... Am I just completly making a missfire here or do I have an annoying spirit on my ass...
If so, How do i get him to fck off [grin]
Thanks!!
Lou
I may have, accidentally, kinda messed with the Goetia
Re: I may have, accidentally, kinda messed with the Goetia
Well, you have read the book, didn't you? When practicing with the lesser key of salomon and the tools in it, at least as beginner one followes the rules from the book as it can become a rather complex sort of summoning. As you have worked in the frame of goetic worke before and messed it up, at least from your conclusion, I guess it is time to make things up.
As far as I saw it from the post you have several options, the choice depends more or less on your own preferences. However those are just my thoughts about how to approach the matter, no guarantee for absolute truth or working out for you!
1) Let it be! You say you don't believe in such crap? Let me say it in that way, ignorance is a blessing and one of the best shields regarding such issues. However, to me it seems that you have doubts. Doubts destroy ignorance as they are connected to the issue and wont let your "ignorance shield" close.
2) This leads me to my second thought how to approach this issue. You could give yourself into psychological care, a good therapy is sometimes far better then any exorcism. Clear up the doubts, kill the "connection" and free yourself from this stupid superstition.
3) You could also try it in the exact opposite direction. Go the way back on which you came. Take out the key of salomon, follow the rules and perform the ritual again (properly). Open the gates, hail the fire god, the guardian, etc. whatever is required. Do the summoning, apologize, do a sacrifice, whatever you/it sees as necessary. "Close the door" you opened with your first time, dismiss everything properly, tell it/him to go, to return where it came from, to f*** off. When the door is closed, things may return to normal.
4) Standard approach would be a proper grounding of yourself as well as some work with yourself to see if there might be a problem on a depper level which causes you problems. I don't know how this connects to the glas, it might be a very very stupid coincidence, but the thing with your eyes might have its reason in your deeper layer. To bring it to a point, it might be a psychosomatic reason. "Magickal work" often involves intensive work with emotions and your "deeper layers", such things might trigger happenings you never anticipated or did not even want to happen.
simple example would be work with my ancestors. When working with those images of the past, it regularly happens to me that emotions from deep down burried under past memories come up and burst out. Crying out of nowhere is one of those results, but at the same time it can free you from much emotional ballast one carries on during his/her lifetime.
5) A simple banishing, maybe performing over a longer period of time, might do the job. As an example would serve the LBPR, you will find several versions online, use the one fitting your purpose and personal taste. Those rituals are somewhat the same as the 4) approach, they actually serve your grounding and freeing your personal space. Before doing that, again some work and reflection about yourself might be a good advice as yourself is in a way the only real tool you are working with. Know the tools you use, therefore also know yourself!
A good preperation for this you will find in "Franz Bardon - Initiation into hermetics". You don't have to go through the whole book but as you are a beginner at least the first 3 stages are the most interesting ones for you I guess. It may be old literature, but it still is good one.
Let me put it this way, magick is not all about climbing into fancy robes, calling out pages of old latin texts and dancing naked through the woods when there is a full moon (still, the last one is pretty funny, I can tell you that much [wink] ). There are more then just one psychological approaches to the matter, many comming from the chaos magick oriented direction with very interesting key points. Even if you are a sceptic, since you already started digging into the matter, I could recommend you the following page and the works there:
http://www.philhine.org.uk/writings/index_e-books.html
Phil Hine might be the right access point for you, and if not, you won't loose anything by looking a little bit into it. At least Phil Hines stuff is quite unconventional and bring in a lot of fun. [crazy]
All the best
Ramscha
As far as I saw it from the post you have several options, the choice depends more or less on your own preferences. However those are just my thoughts about how to approach the matter, no guarantee for absolute truth or working out for you!
1) Let it be! You say you don't believe in such crap? Let me say it in that way, ignorance is a blessing and one of the best shields regarding such issues. However, to me it seems that you have doubts. Doubts destroy ignorance as they are connected to the issue and wont let your "ignorance shield" close.
2) This leads me to my second thought how to approach this issue. You could give yourself into psychological care, a good therapy is sometimes far better then any exorcism. Clear up the doubts, kill the "connection" and free yourself from this stupid superstition.
3) You could also try it in the exact opposite direction. Go the way back on which you came. Take out the key of salomon, follow the rules and perform the ritual again (properly). Open the gates, hail the fire god, the guardian, etc. whatever is required. Do the summoning, apologize, do a sacrifice, whatever you/it sees as necessary. "Close the door" you opened with your first time, dismiss everything properly, tell it/him to go, to return where it came from, to f*** off. When the door is closed, things may return to normal.
4) Standard approach would be a proper grounding of yourself as well as some work with yourself to see if there might be a problem on a depper level which causes you problems. I don't know how this connects to the glas, it might be a very very stupid coincidence, but the thing with your eyes might have its reason in your deeper layer. To bring it to a point, it might be a psychosomatic reason. "Magickal work" often involves intensive work with emotions and your "deeper layers", such things might trigger happenings you never anticipated or did not even want to happen.
simple example would be work with my ancestors. When working with those images of the past, it regularly happens to me that emotions from deep down burried under past memories come up and burst out. Crying out of nowhere is one of those results, but at the same time it can free you from much emotional ballast one carries on during his/her lifetime.
5) A simple banishing, maybe performing over a longer period of time, might do the job. As an example would serve the LBPR, you will find several versions online, use the one fitting your purpose and personal taste. Those rituals are somewhat the same as the 4) approach, they actually serve your grounding and freeing your personal space. Before doing that, again some work and reflection about yourself might be a good advice as yourself is in a way the only real tool you are working with. Know the tools you use, therefore also know yourself!
A good preperation for this you will find in "Franz Bardon - Initiation into hermetics". You don't have to go through the whole book but as you are a beginner at least the first 3 stages are the most interesting ones for you I guess. It may be old literature, but it still is good one.
Let me put it this way, magick is not all about climbing into fancy robes, calling out pages of old latin texts and dancing naked through the woods when there is a full moon (still, the last one is pretty funny, I can tell you that much [wink] ). There are more then just one psychological approaches to the matter, many comming from the chaos magick oriented direction with very interesting key points. Even if you are a sceptic, since you already started digging into the matter, I could recommend you the following page and the works there:
http://www.philhine.org.uk/writings/index_e-books.html
Phil Hine might be the right access point for you, and if not, you won't loose anything by looking a little bit into it. At least Phil Hines stuff is quite unconventional and bring in a lot of fun. [crazy]
All the best
Ramscha
bye bye
Re: I may have, accidentally, kinda messed with the Goetia
Hello Lou,
I'm sorry to hear that this happened to you. To rephrase a famous quote attributed to Pericles, you may not believe in the paranormal, but it believes in you.
There is a solution to your problem. The demons of the Goetia and other more chaotic and rebellious entities, like the Rakshasas, are managed by the use of Divine Names. A discussion of why and how this may be is another topic and secondary to your immediate issues. The triage for your situation is the use of the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram and then ritual cleansing of your space.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/bos026.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETNJaXbblOo
http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/fre ... -sage.html
Your intention in working with these rituals is important, they are the tools that are the expression of your will that this entity leave your space. So, try and focus that intentionality as much as you can. You have a right to your space and you are sovereign therein.
Please keep us informed on your progress.
I'm sorry to hear that this happened to you. To rephrase a famous quote attributed to Pericles, you may not believe in the paranormal, but it believes in you.
There is a solution to your problem. The demons of the Goetia and other more chaotic and rebellious entities, like the Rakshasas, are managed by the use of Divine Names. A discussion of why and how this may be is another topic and secondary to your immediate issues. The triage for your situation is the use of the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram and then ritual cleansing of your space.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/bos026.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETNJaXbblOo
http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/fre ... -sage.html
Your intention in working with these rituals is important, they are the tools that are the expression of your will that this entity leave your space. So, try and focus that intentionality as much as you can. You have a right to your space and you are sovereign therein.
Please keep us informed on your progress.
Re: I may have, accidentally, kinda messed with the Goetia
And this is what happens when people dabble. Ugh. It's not an accident. It's a poor decision. You chose to do a ritual that you knew very little about. Take responsibility for your actions - that's the first step. And you did in your post but not in your title which is what I see from the text box.
If you didn't believe at all - why did you do it?
You don't have to believe in gravity to be stuck to the surface of the planet, either. You're belief is not required. Welcome to the world of the occult. Yes, it's real.
So, you played with Ceremonial Magick, you summoned a demon into your life because he had an easy sigil to draw and now you want to fix it. Does that about sum it up?
My first thought would be to do the ceremony again, summon the demon, except this time realize that as the Magician - you need to have the power and strength to control and command it. You don't apologize to these things. You give them marching orders. Undo everything it's done, go the fuck back to wherever it came from and not return. That'll only work if you have the power and strength to control and command. I don't have the feeling that you do.
You can try the LBRP or other banishing rituals. I don't think they'll work long term because you invited this thing into your life.
You can try to find someone local to do a banishing ritual/exorcism for you. I suppose you could call your local paranormal investigators and see if they can recommend someone.
If you didn't believe at all - why did you do it?
You don't have to believe in gravity to be stuck to the surface of the planet, either. You're belief is not required. Welcome to the world of the occult. Yes, it's real.
So, you played with Ceremonial Magick, you summoned a demon into your life because he had an easy sigil to draw and now you want to fix it. Does that about sum it up?
My first thought would be to do the ceremony again, summon the demon, except this time realize that as the Magician - you need to have the power and strength to control and command it. You don't apologize to these things. You give them marching orders. Undo everything it's done, go the fuck back to wherever it came from and not return. That'll only work if you have the power and strength to control and command. I don't have the feeling that you do.
You can try the LBRP or other banishing rituals. I don't think they'll work long term because you invited this thing into your life.
You can try to find someone local to do a banishing ritual/exorcism for you. I suppose you could call your local paranormal investigators and see if they can recommend someone.
When my wings get tired I grab my broom.
Re: I may have, accidentally, kinda messed with the Goetia
Thanks for your answers...
I'll try your solutions and see what happens...
I'll try your solutions and see what happens...
Re: I may have, accidentally, kinda messed with the Goetia
Hello again Loupland,
Rose Red raised an interesting point that has got me thinking about this matter further so I want to ask you a couple of questions. When you undertook his operation, did you evoke Marbas into a triangle? Did you use a circle in any form? I am going to assume not, so your actions were more akin to spiritualism than Ceremonial Magic. This is where what she said is important: by contacting an entity in this way, you are generally inviting it into your life. The reason that magicians use the Triangle of Art is to restrict the demon to a specific space under determined auspices. That way they don’t run around and start shit, as you found.
If the methods given do not work, then you may have to seek more help.
The demons of the Goetia are governed by angelic counterparts. The power over Marbas is the angel Mehashiah. He is under the jurisdiction of the Archangel Michael (with Elemental Fire associations). Further, for Goetic operations there are optimum times. Now, you can get something (as you know) otherwise but the door is, for each entity, open widest at specific times. These times are the conjunction of the moon in specific sign of the zodiac with a planetary hour.
I tell you this because your other option is to invoke the angel Mehashiah and to ask him to resolve this issue. His gate is open widest when the moon is in Aries in the planetary hour of Mercury. The moon will next be in this sign on Monday, March 3. The planetary hours of Mercury for that day, Pacific Time, are at 1220 -1317 hrs & 1906-2009 hrs.
The optimum gate for Marbas is when the moon is in Aries and during the planetary hour of Jupiter. You may have to properly evoke and banish him at that time the next day.
Rose Red raised an interesting point that has got me thinking about this matter further so I want to ask you a couple of questions. When you undertook his operation, did you evoke Marbas into a triangle? Did you use a circle in any form? I am going to assume not, so your actions were more akin to spiritualism than Ceremonial Magic. This is where what she said is important: by contacting an entity in this way, you are generally inviting it into your life. The reason that magicians use the Triangle of Art is to restrict the demon to a specific space under determined auspices. That way they don’t run around and start shit, as you found.
If the methods given do not work, then you may have to seek more help.
The demons of the Goetia are governed by angelic counterparts. The power over Marbas is the angel Mehashiah. He is under the jurisdiction of the Archangel Michael (with Elemental Fire associations). Further, for Goetic operations there are optimum times. Now, you can get something (as you know) otherwise but the door is, for each entity, open widest at specific times. These times are the conjunction of the moon in specific sign of the zodiac with a planetary hour.
I tell you this because your other option is to invoke the angel Mehashiah and to ask him to resolve this issue. His gate is open widest when the moon is in Aries in the planetary hour of Mercury. The moon will next be in this sign on Monday, March 3. The planetary hours of Mercury for that day, Pacific Time, are at 1220 -1317 hrs & 1906-2009 hrs.
The optimum gate for Marbas is when the moon is in Aries and during the planetary hour of Jupiter. You may have to properly evoke and banish him at that time the next day.