What is the point in summoning a Demon?

[Atzmuth]

Becouse every trade you do with it, you will lose at the end. So why would I bother and make my life worse?

[Rin]

Very little, in my opinion, although the label "demon" is somewhat arbitrarily thrown around in reference to what are really old pre-Abrahamic Mediterranean/Middle Eastern spirits/deities. Still, as you pointed out, why summon something hostile when there are plenty of far more friendly entities out there with whom an arrangement can be struck.

Although I suppose there is an argument to be made from the self mastery/establishing divine authority perspective.

[Desecrated]

Becouse every trade you do with it, you will lose at the end. So why would I bother and make my life worse?

Why do people drink and drive?
Because they can think they can handle it.

[manonthepath]

Well, it really depends on what you consider a demon. The christians and muslims think anything outside of their view is demonic. In general, there are three things you need to consider in answering this question. 1. What you want to accomplish and what are the potential outcomes of you reaching your goal. 2. The nature of the energy you are working with. This is the tricky part. 3. Your own level of maturity and cultivation in life and the arts. You might want to avoid this until you are ready. For the novice it can sometimes be like putting a fishing line into the water. You never know what you'll catch! You really want to avoid calling demons for stupid small things, such as a school bully or your girlfriend breaking your heart. Demons are really great at assisting with personal growth and learning the secrets of the cosmos. They can give one truly great power and sometimes the price is cheap indeed. Sometimes the wrong demon will fuck you hard and give you nothing while causing you untold suffering as well as destroying the lives of those around you. Sometimes they can destroy many around you and still give you great things. This is a big topic and I avoid lengthy posts. Choosing a demon is like choosing a mentor Your mental and meta-cognitive focus causes resonances which draw energies to you. These resonances will largely determine the nature of the energy you draw to yourself. This is why you need to be a cultivated and mature human being with balance and self knowledge before approaching this activity. You also need to be able to step out of your ego. Once you can operate on this level, you will have more control (more or less) on the type of demon you are able to draw as well as recognize what you're dealing with in time. Be advised! You can never control a demon at all! They give what they want and do what they want. You need defenses. The best defense against a demon is a bigger demon. The big ones are hard to attract unless you give them something quite noble to draw them. This is why so many get hung up with the low level energies because they have low levels of maturity and really have nothing to offer. ........ Oh yeah, jem stones are useful.

[Atzmuth]

Thanks for the reply Manonthepath but as Desecrated said do people mainly call demons becouse they think they can handle it? And it would be great if you told us about your demonic experiances?

[Desecrated]

Thanks for the reply Manonthepath but as Desecrated said do people mainly call demons becouse they think they can handle it? And it would be great if you told us about your demonic experiances?

Not mainly, it's an oversimplification. Or more of a commentary of the mentality of these people. But the motivation behind it can be different.

Most people probably try to summon demons because they want power, even if it comes with some consequences.
Some people are desperate for power, retribution, money and so on.
Some people might feel the need for the experience to move on to the next level.
Some people don't care and just try and do it for fun.
Some for curiosity.

But in the ends it comes down to the same thinking as those who try drugs, alcohol and so on. They think they can handle it.
And sometimes they can.

[Atzmuth]

But mostly they fail, so why should I get the risk If the failure rate is higher???

[Desecrated]

But mostly they fail, so why should I get the risk If the failure rate is higher???

"It won't happen to me" . "I'm better then most people", " I'm so good at driving I can do it even if I'm drunk. Others might crash and die, but not me"

In fact, a study they did a couple of years ago shows that: 86% of the population describe themselves as being smarter then the average citizen.

Why do people choose to move to large cities with a high murder-rate? Because they don't think it will happen to them. OR, they think that the reward of living there is worth the risk-

[420]

I know several people who evoke demons. These are some of the reasons they give. They claim demons are 100% more powerful than any other spirits. They say they always get what they want when evoking demons, but rarely get what they want from angels/spirits/gods. They generally laugh at the idea that evoking demons is dangerous, except if you don't know what you're doing. They generally feel anything short of evoking demons is a waste of time. I do not generally agree, just trying to satisfy your curiosity with what I've read and been told.

[SerAlex]

I know several people who evoke demons. These are some of the reasons they give. They claim demons are 100% more powerful than any other spirits. They say they always get what they want when evoking demons, but rarely get what they want from angels/spirits/gods. They generally laugh at the idea that evoking demons is dangerous, except if you don't know what you're doing. They generally feel anything short of evoking demons is a waste of time. I do not generally agree, just trying to satisfy your curiosity with what I've read and been told.

Aren't demons and spirits the same thing, though? ( In the sense that demon means spirit) That's what I read a while back.

[Desecrated]

I know several people who evoke demons. These are some of the reasons they give. They claim demons are 100% more powerful than any other spirits. They say they always get what they want when evoking demons, but rarely get what they want from angels/spirits/gods. They generally laugh at the idea that evoking demons is dangerous, except if you don't know what you're doing. They generally feel anything short of evoking demons is a waste of time. I do not generally agree, just trying to satisfy your curiosity with what I've read and been told.

Aren't demons and spirits the same thing, though? ( In the sense that demon means spirit) That's what I read a while back.

Spirits are lightweight, demons are heavyweight.

[manofsands]

Some may summon demons... and I do mean the dark nasty stereotypical demons, for the same reason I think many want to sell there soul...

... a hopelessness of proof.

They may have been raised christian, or whatever, prayed (magic) for this or that and got no response. They may have cried and shouted to God in the middle of the night only to get no response, no result. That, along with flawed logic and truths and one could lose faith. That doesn't stop a seeker. After depression and hopelessness, one may be willing to look anywhere for results. They may care less for what was asked for and more for any answer at all.

I only talk about a fraction of those who may mess with demons. No offense who have come there from other routes.


(Yah! I made Magister! 500th post. I want a button or something! )

[zygoat666]

I have recently began studying Demonolatry, and so far i have found no examples of the "dangers" that you guys are talking about. According to the books (and i have read a lot of em) demons are bringers of knowledge. Not maleficent beings that wanna harm you. Am i wrong? Have i missed something?

[Rin]

I have recently began studying Demonolatry, and so far i have found no examples of the "dangers" that you guys are talking about. According to the books (and i have read a lot of em) demons are bringers of knowledge. Not maleficent beings that wanna harm you. Am i wrong? Have i missed something?

It's all a question of labels. The problem is that up until fairly recently, any spirit which wasn't God or one of his Angels was considered a demon within the Western world, and so the label was universally applied to old nature spirits or pagan deities along with those entities which genuinely deserved it (if we take the word "demon" to mean a generally malevolent entity). Then Christian magicians would summon them and treat them as demons, binding them with alleged divine authority, threatening them with various punishments, etc etc, which I imagine even a spirit which is otherwise fairly benign in most circumstances would react to rather aggressively. This aggressive behavior is taken as proof of the demonic nature of the entity, and so the impression is reinforced, and now we're stuck unable to tell which entities are genuinely malevolent or otherwise negative in nature, and which have just been treated poorly and subsequently given bad publicity, so to speak.

Then the matter is further confused by theistic satanists and demonolatrists and what not, who assume that any entity which is labelled as demonic is actually just suffering from Christian repression, and so they go around saying the exact opposite, and the whole thing leads to a lot of confusion.

[RoseRed]

But mostly they fail, so why should I get the risk If the failure rate is higher???

Because not everybody fails at it. There are some people out there that excel at this skill.