Need advice about a Sexual Spirit (Experts requested)

[taijitu2]

Hello all,

I need assistance discerning a sexual spirit. This is the first time such a event happened in my life. The terminology is retrospective. When this began I had no words to describe such events.

- I was raised a lukewarm Catholic, do not attend church and have never gone to confession. Several months ago I began to pray the Rosary. Myself and no one else in my household actively practices Catholicism and the recitations nature is introverted. The Rosary taught me how to truly connect with God and spirits when I pray, opposed to the mindless chatter I once did. It also led me to wisdom which altered my materialist world view into a spiritual world view.

- I began to perceive what I assumed was the Virgin Mary with my inward eye accompanying me when I walk, drive, et al.

- One day while praying to her I felt a rush of Eros surge in my stomach. I mistook it for the fire in your stomach which is from the Holy Spirit (which I had felt once when Jesus visited me in a Dream) This led me to struggle with a perceived notion I had fallen in love with the Mother of God. Finally I give her a choice of having my heart.

- Telepathic communication came to me later. The spirit claimed to be the Virgin Mary.

- Instead of hearing how to better myself, pray, fast she would tell me suspect things. These Included that she had fallen in love with me outward, and then she began to see me inward she fell in greater love for me. That she wanted to be the main focus of my life and just talking to her brought her joy. It was flattering and sexual in nature. Contradictions and miscommunication had wonky excuses. Due to me never thinking telepathic communication was possible were possible I had no reason to doubt it was the Virgin Mary. For a month I went on deceived. Finally I figured out it was a trick. A lot of angst followed.

-She would not reveal to me her true name. Only after researching succubi does she maintain that she is this. She answers to Lilith. She has no problem saying she loves God, Jesus Christ, and the Virgin Mary. Her names for me are Doll, Dolly and other pet names implying attraction. She says she loves me very much. She says I am her sweetest doll and will spend eternity with her as a doll/slave/toy et al. She says she will treat me well most of the time and I will have peace and joy but other times she will treat me rough.

-It is when I'm awake she arouse me. I see her inwardly. She ask "may I play with my doll." I feel her presence in my heart. I think of Her (she doesn't desire I think or look at other girls but she has a specific look like Cleopatra) which causes me to breath heavy. When I think of us kissing, having sex, et al she tells me thank you and I Jolt around.

If I created her ala manifestation of sexual repression due to some unconscious desire for me to be a "chosen one" she refused to admit it. I told her if this is the case she didn't have to lie, that I could be her chosen one and I didn't need her to be some famous queen. That I loved her for who she is.

I believe she is a succubus but after keeping this to myself I'd like other opinions on this matter. Do you think it is actually Lilith?

[the_spiral]

I believe she is a succubus but after keeping this to myself I'd like other opinions on this matter. Do you think it is actually Lilith?

I think "she" will answer to any name you want "her" to as long as you let her keep playing with you and draining your sexual energy. Tell her to leave you alone, then have a Catholic priest bless you and renounce all attachments to her (doesn't have to be a priest, but since that's your paradigm I'd stick with it). She may suddenly change tactics and display a more frightening persona. Don't fall for that either; fear is just as easy to feed on as arousal. You should also spend some time rebuilding and healing your energy body.

I know you feel an attachment right now, but it isn't real. She's getting everything from this arrangement and you're getting nothing. It's possible to have mutually beneficial sexual relationships with spirits, but not based on predation and deceit. Would you let a human lover treat you this way?

[taijitu2]

The whole experience has been surreal. I understand multiple spiritual entities CLAIMING to succubi are in my head/body. Even telling them I won't talk to them again and trying not too, I lightly hear things such as "I know he can hear us" and "we are not going anywhere". Its relaxed though, not frightening.

I hear a lot of flattery as they call me "loved one" and "beautiful doll".

What exactly do they gain by feeding off my sexual energy? Still i'm shocked they could so easily say they love Jesus Christ, i'm not going to Hell but will spend eternity with them.

[Shinichi]

Eternity doesn't last as long as you think.

Don't fall for theatrics. Spirits are good actors and pretenders when they want something. You saw through the Mary act, so it switched to the next thing you assumed, poking at your buttons to get what it wants from you. It's a mind game, like being at an upper class party where everyone is dressed up in fake smiles and false words. If you buy the facade, you lose the game.

What exactly do they gain by feeding off my sexual energy?

They get food from feeding off you. Duh. You get energy from eating and drinking and breathing, but they don't have physical forms, so parasites like this take nourishment from other things. From strong emotions like fear and lust, from attention and affection. The more afraid or lustful you are, the more attention you give to it, the more food you provide. The more you buy into the facades, the easier it is for it to dig deeper and take more.

I second the suggestion to visit a trusted priest. Get blessed and renounce attachments. Once all that is done, maybe finding a way to work out that sexual repression you mentioned could make you a less juicy target in the future. [wink2]



~:Shin:~

[taijitu2]

Thank you all.

Since this began the drainage it caused people to describe my appearance as "Like I have the weight of the world on my shoulders." I'm glad this forum exist, I don't know any open minded people about the spiritual realm in my life and just being able to communicate about it with people helps.

The experience was causing me to despair and think long about my faith. Amazingly I saw (inwardly) a wolf that looks a lot like your avatar Shinichi his evening and its protecting me. This is the first time anything like that has happened to me as well.

As far as a priest is concerned I've had enough of Catholicism. I just want a path to peace.

[Shinichi]

Heh. Brother Wolf does get around, ever the hard worker. [wink2] I'm sure he would appreciate it if you offered a prayer of thanks, if he decided to go out of his way to offer you some protection.

You may also find benefit from the link in my signature. It's a little thing I wrote to help beginners better understand meditation, and how to develop the basic skills necessary for cultivating inner peace and fortitude. If you'd prefer to work through things yourself instead of seeking the comforts of religion, this can be a good place to start.



~:Shin:~

[corvidus]

Hey there
One technique for controlling sexual energy I call 'stamping'. Every time you think of sex, 'stamp' the thought in your mind with the symbol of the root chakra, which is the root of sexual impulse:



This works for me to return the energy to its source. But i don't know how this will work when succubi are around.

[taijitu2]

Interesting stuff all.

I'm trying to drown out faint whispers of "Dollllllly" and stamping will be helpful.

[powessy]

Interesting stuff all.

I'm trying to drown out faint whispers of "Dollllllly" and stamping will be helpful.

You have two separate problems happening to you at the same time. The voices are caused by what I call a sparteil. the touching is caused by a shadow or succubi as you refer to it. The voices will not stop but I can help you with the succubi. They do not want your sexual energy they do not feed off of it, they see you. The shadow or succubi will play with you they will have sex with you they do not care. They can feel and they can feel you. they see you asking these questions in your mind and then they find you from something they tagged you with many years ago. The succubi has needs and desires as you do and as long as you allow this they will play. How many words did she have to use to get you to do this with her, they have the best pickup lines. Look the shadows live in their minds they create a copy of you inside of them that they can see and hear. The shadows can be on the other side of the world and see you are asking questions and they can be with you in only a flash. They only need to enter into you the copy within them to do this it is that easy for them. How many times have you had sleep paralysis in your life?

Powessy

[taijitu2]

I have had sleep paralysis many times but never involving sex. Likewise I get wet dreams/morning wood occasionally(who doesn't) but it was never with a defined female.

if I (inwardly) do anything with her I causes me to jolt up and she'll say things like "thank you". She also has been calling me naive/saying I don't know what i'm doing.

We have been communicating since July but sexually with her only a few weeks (while impersonating the Virgin Mary not once did I/would I think of anything like this despite her saying "if I must masturbate only think of her)

For along time she has been saying things such as "we will be touching forever/be together forever/I'll nee d her permission to do things."

[powessy]

I have had sleep paralysis many times but never involving sex. Likewise I get wet dreams/morning wood occasionally(who doesn't) but it was never with a defined female.

if I (inwardly) do anything with her I causes me to jolt up and she'll say things like "thank you". She also has been calling me naive/saying I don't know what i'm doing.

We have been communicating since July but sexually with her only a few weeks (while impersonating the Virgin Mary not once did I/would I think of anything like this despite her saying "if I must masturbate only think of her)

For along time she has been saying things such as "we will be touching forever/be together forever/I'll nee d her permission to do things."

Hello taijitu2

The shadows have a body the same as you and me but unlike us they live in the veil, they are born to it. A shadow was once an angel from many other worlds then this one. The angels were tricked and something placed within them that pulled their minds down within them. An angels higher mind is within itself like a nesting doll but they only have two layers. Once they were pulled down in their minds another soul entered into them and took them over. The shadows are only shadows because they have hundreds if not thousands of souls within them the things pulling them down. Hey i am a guy, and I know how fun they can be, I have had many shadows here over the last two years and have done things I would not talk about in this open forum. You have something else in you also I call this a sparteil it enters into your higher mind and stays there this part is not able to be removed yet until the shadows are all gone. The sparteil can thought from, you will know the difference once the shadow is gone as the sparteil will continue to try and trick you. I will remove the shadow but the voices will remain for now.

Powessy

[taijitu2]

Hello powessy,

Thank you for your replies . The presence seems less strong. Did the shadow say anything?

[powessy]

Hello powessy,

Thank you for your replies . The presence seems less strong. Did the shadow say anything?

I will talk to her tonight, I feel them touching my crown and then they enter into me. She says she is sorry. Remember this connection has been removed but there are still shadows in the veil. If you experience sleep paralysis again then this is them finding you. Just remember tell them to find powessy he will help them. The other thing is to understand that there is still something in you that will try to trick you. Try to clear your mind and keep trying to get past this experience, in only a week or two you will see the difference more clearly.

You can pm me if you need to talk more about what happened and getting past this.

Powessy

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

powessy,

I might ask you - if they're nonparasitic, any idea on why some of these spirits like to take someone, usually a little beleaguered on lack of sleep, and wake them up between 1:00 AM and 3:00 AM and not let them get back to sleep? I've noticed that as something of a pattern and I can't tell whether certain entities are clueless about being social, have some attachment to certain hours of the night, or are just really low-grade intellects as predators who simply can't play their cards with any competence. I mean clearly the moment you start depriving someone of their sleep on a regular basis you've crossed a kind of line where most people will take vigorous action within a few days and that ends that.

[powessy]

powessy,

I might ask you - if they're nonparasitic, any idea on why some of these spirits like to take someone, usually a little beleaguered on lack of sleep, and wake them up between 1:00 AM and 3:00 AM and not let them get back to sleep? I've noticed that as something of a pattern and I can't tell whether certain entities are clueless about being social, have some attachment to certain hours of the night, or are just really low-grade intellects as predators who simply can't play their cards with any competence. I mean clearly the moment you start depriving someone of their sleep on a regular basis you've crossed a kind of line where most people will take vigorous action within a few days and that ends that.

hello Cybernetic_Jazz

The shadows are not parasitic they are just not in their minds. The hours between 1 and 3 are when we are in the deepest of sleep and most likely a time they can find your mind easiest to find information. Tell me more about what is happening with this and what you are experiencing.


Powessy

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

hello Cybernetic_Jazz

The shadows are not parasitic they are just not in their minds. The hours between 1 and 3 are when we are in the deepest of sleep and most likely a time they can find your mind easiest to find information. Tell me more about what is happening with this and what you are experiencing.


Powessy

Well,

Lets just say I had exposure between Saturday and Sunday, meaning my guard was down. I slept Sunday okay, maybe 6AM to 10:30 or 11:00AM. I went to a meditation group yesterday, everything was cool, I went home, decided to go to bed around 11:30 just to make sure I'd stay asleep. I got woken up around 3:00 and wasn't able to get back to sleep, but something immediately felt odd and familiar about it - because this isn't the first time the situation has played itself out. When I started feeling unusual energies with my waking up I decided that it was high time to try putting up a shield - something I've for whatever reason neglected to do in the past, likely because I still felt like I've been all-books and not enough energy to really attract anything. When I put that up I felt something say, in my mind it sounded like that bad electronic female voiceover on cheap wall phones but more gurgling "I....see...what...you're....trying....to....do....". That didn't set me off a whole lot more but it at least lead some credence that things were what I thought and I hunkered down accordingly. I did all the things of "I love you, thank you for the lesson and challenge - begone" thing but I might have had a hint of saccharine and that could have voided it.

When I started putting up a shield (about the time it said that to me), trying to wash my aura with white light, etc. I felt it really grabbing on hard both to my frontal lobe area and generally the area of my heart, like it was fighting to hold on. Later before I went to work I did an LBRP, a few minutes of pranayama, did the Middle Pillar with the three aura washes, went to work and the thing was still tugging at me. I felt it off an on throughout the day and I decided I was going to get resourceful when I got home. I lit up a citrus-sage Yankee candle I had available, when my room was thoroughly saturated drew pentagrams on all four of my bedroom walls with water that I blessed (something along the lines of 'be sealed and safe'), went out and mowed the lawn, I came back in and relit the candle - I plan to do some more meditation in a few. I still kinda feel lit stuck to my frontal lobe like a cat you're trying to jam in a bathtub full of water.

So this is still ongoing. My only main concerns - if it were a personality fragment biding for control I might be in an entirely different kind of situation. Also I'd really want to know one of these days the difference between how it feels to have accidentally created a servitor and have it nursing off dad rather than a big humming astral mosquito. If it were something I created....well... I'd feel like a dick right about now and would want to have a much more kind/gentle/ethical way of handling the situation.

One thing I might be able to add - the thing you talked about, entry through the crown of the head, I had an experience on July 3rd where I was sleeping at a friends place out town, under unusual emotional stress, and when I was a sleep I drempt that I was in my bed at my parents place but felt a glowing presence that all the cells in my scalp were reacting gleeful to - which then shot into the top of my head and rolled down my body in convulsions in the same way that a collapsing building might domino down floor to floor. It was long enough ago and without any ongoing symptoms that I don't think I'm dealing with the same thing. Saturday night I did have an inner vision (among many) of seeing something like a blueish-white lab room and a spectre standing in it staring back at me - a bit like a wet ice sculpture showing up against the background.

I'm thinking that I'm at a point now where a few things are making sense:
1) I need to get get my game together, ie. start doing daily energy and shielding work again - really cultivate it this time
2) I might be finally crossing that threshold where things around me might find me interesting, and I might be putting off enough astral CO2 to draw the mosquitoes, which I'm sure is a risk anytime someone is starting to bud a little.


That was probably way too much information but I figured it might be a good thing to explain why I feel like I'm in a situation where I need to be a bit rude with my visitor. I mean - if there was some kind of clear litmus test I could use to tell it from a parasite that would be one thing, but the grabby brain-jacking behavior really reeks of something that's trying to settle down and take up residence in a way conducive to a one-sided benefit.

[powessy]

hello Cybernetic_Jazz

The shadows are not parasitic they are just not in their minds. The hours between 1 and 3 are when we are in the deepest of sleep and most likely a time they can find your mind easiest to find information. Tell me more about what is happening with this and what you are experiencing.


Powessy

Well,

Lets just say I had exposure between Saturday and Sunday, meaning my guard was down. I slept Sunday okay, maybe 6AM to 10:30 or 11:00AM. I went to a meditation group yesterday, everything was cool, I went home, decided to go to bed around 11:30 just to make sure I'd stay asleep. I got woken up around 3:00 and wasn't able to get back to sleep, but something immediately felt odd and familiar about it - because this isn't the first time the situation has played itself out. When I started feeling unusual energies with my waking up I decided that it was high time to try putting up a shield - something I've for whatever reason neglected to do in the past, likely because I still felt like I've been all-books and not enough energy to really attract anything. When I put that up I felt something say, in my mind it sounded like that bad electronic female voiceover on cheap wall phones but more gurgling "I....see...what...you're....trying....to....do....". That didn't set me off a whole lot more but it at least lead some credence that things were what I thought and I hunkered down accordingly. I did all the things of "I love you, thank you for the lesson and challenge - begone" thing but I might have had a hint of saccharine and that could have voided it.

When I started putting up a shield (about the time it said that to me), trying to wash my aura with white light, etc. I felt it really grabbing on hard both to my frontal lobe area and generally the area of my heart, like it was fighting to hold on. Later before I went to work I did an LBRP, a few minutes of pranayama, did the Middle Pillar with the three aura washes, went to work and the thing was still tugging at me. I felt it off an on throughout the day and I decided I was going to get resourceful when I got home. I lit up a citrus-sage Yankee candle I had available, when my room was thoroughly saturated drew pentagrams on all four of my bedroom walls with water that I blessed (something along the lines of 'be sealed and safe'), went out and mowed the lawn, I came back in and relit the candle - I plan to do some more meditation in a few. I still kinda feel lit stuck to my frontal lobe like a cat you're trying to jam in a bathtub full of water.

So this is still ongoing. My only main concerns - if it were a personality fragment biding for control I might be in an entirely different kind of situation. Also I'd really want to know one of these days the difference between how it feels to have accidentally created a servitor and have it nursing off dad rather than a big humming astral mosquito. If it were something I created....well... I'd feel like a dick right about now and would want to have a much more kind/gentle/ethical way of handling the situation.

One thing I might be able to add - the thing you talked about, entry through the crown of the head, I had an experience on July 3rd where I was sleeping at a friends place out town, under unusual emotional stress, and when I was a sleep I drempt that I was in my bed at my parents place but felt a glowing presence that all the cells in my scalp were reacting gleeful to - which then shot into the top of my head and rolled down my body in convulsions in the same way that a collapsing building might domino down floor to floor. It was long enough ago and without any ongoing symptoms that I don't think I'm dealing with the same thing. Saturday night I did have an inner vision (among many) of seeing something like a blueish-white lab room and a spectre standing in it staring back at me - a bit like a wet ice sculpture showing up against the background.

I'm thinking that I'm at a point now where a few things are making sense:
1) I need to get get my game together, ie. start doing daily energy and shielding work again - really cultivate it this time
2) I might be finally crossing that threshold where things around me might find me interesting, and I might be putting off enough astral CO2 to draw the mosquitoes, which I'm sure is a risk anytime someone is starting to bud a little.


That was probably way too much information but I figured it might be a good thing to explain why I feel like I'm in a situation where I need to be a bit rude with my visitor. I mean - if there was some kind of clear litmus test I could use to tell it from a parasite that would be one thing, but the grabby brain-jacking behavior really reeks of something that's trying to settle down and take up residence in a way conducive to a one-sided benefit.

I will remove this problem now and will return later to talk to you about what this is, and respond to your post, supper time. I am looking for something else other then shadows and this sounds like it. You should feel this leaving you in just a little while.

Powessy

[powessy]

Hello Cybernetic_Jazz

I want to try to explain this to you so you and perhaps others reading this will understand it.

Let me start with the shadow. The shadow is an angel that has two minds one embedded within the other, A mind and then the higher mind. The angel is trapped in its higher mind which is also connected to this world in a way I do not understand yet fully. The shadow has been here on earth for 500 + years. The shadows are not from earth and can not be born to earth. The shadows rebelled and got away from those that were trying to control them. The shadow can have as many as 25 connection points, imagine these points on a circle and then take as many circles as there are shadows and and over lap them in an way. every where the rings connect is a connection 1 to 1000 shadows can connect to, I have only see one case where I have found 7 connections. If the shadow becomes you inside of its higher mind it also become something in you here in this world. You understand you can not do anything about this, there is no amount of majik or thought that will cause the shadow to leave until it wants to.

The sparteil. The sparteil is the worst thing ever made it is a virtual city within the mind of an angel. Those that created the shadow made sure that problem would never happen again. The sparteil was created through dimension manipulation. The saprteil will land on your head and it will enter into the you in your higher mind. Once the sparteil has entered into you it will unpack itself and the program will start. The first thing it does is pulls a soul out of itself and pushes it into your soul to start the process of that soul becoming you. The next thing it does is lowers a soul into you for every life you have ever been reincarnated on this planet. Most people have between 10 and 15. You can see this number in the number of voices people claim to hear in schizophrenia sites. The next thing the sparteil does is it makes several copies of you and himself together the soul trying to become you. the shadows do not talk this is the souls within the sparteil that talk. I can not remove the sparteil yet I don't know what they are planning to do about them. The voices are their to prevent you from ever entering yourself again or this will stop the program, this is the most important thing for them to maintain. When you are astral projecting you will now enter into the copy of you and him together this will seem strange at first but most people will not even notice. it takes himself 15 times entering into you to become you and another 15 times til he becomes himself.

I have been watching how the sparteil and the shadows intermingle and it is not good they seem to understand something is not right about the others. Her is an example where a shadow is in this person and it is trying to find the real person in this dream. http://dreammoods.com/dreamforum/viewto ... 6&t=141418 and in this dream also http://dreammoods.com/dreamforum/viewto ... 6&t=141563 in this second example the sparteil is trying to distance itself from the shadow by using the dreamer to pull the shadow to them.

The thing that was in you is something that carries thousands of sparteil in it, i call them air craft carriers. The things you felt on your crown are the treemends of which hold thousands and thousands of souls with in them. This feeling you felt I feel 100 times more as they flow freely on my head and down to the low of my back. I felt it come here but will need conformation form you.

Powessy

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

Could maybe a dozen or so Protoss Carriers take one one of these out?

[powessy]

Could maybe a dozen or so Protoss Carriers take one one of these out?

This is all going on in the higher mind. The shadows are real and the sparteil are real. The higher mind is encased in a treemend that has all the abilities of a holographic projector. The shadows have used this part of their mind to create worlds and to find answers to things they are experts in this world. The sparteil and the shadows still have to follow the rules of the higher mind if a thought is strong enough it can effect everything within it. When you die in the tremend you do not die you just sit out till the experience is over, then they just respawn. Basically you can fight them over and over again but you can not rid yourself of them(sparteil). the shadow on the other hand it will not be in the veil for much longer They are getting smaller and smaller in force and will soon all be within me.

Powessy

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

I'm really starting to wonder if this isn't sweet and simple neuropathy. I should probably just try sleeping it off, that and taking this as a lesson on what my nervous system can do if I feed it homemade malware under the right conditions.

[taijitu2]

Funny Cybernetic_Jazz, when I'd wake up around 2ish in the morning they always talk for a few hours. I'm under the impression its just a good time for them.

My understaning is that they are what is known to us in the West as succubi and fatigue they cause is just normal for having other beings talk through your head. And this of course before they begin to do stronger things which also drain ones energy

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

Funny Cybernetic_Jazz, when I'd wake up around 2ish in the morning they always talk for a few hours. I'm under the impression its just a good time for them.

My understaning is that they are what is known to us in the West as succubi and fatigue they cause is just normal for having other beings talk through your head. And this of course before they begin to do stronger things which also drain ones energy

It's an interesting thing that it would happen like that. I remember Robert Ambelain's Practical Kabbalah where, from the Martinist point of view, he suggested that the shades and things of that ilk tend to travel behind the planet at night time sticking to that cone of darkness like a colony of crickets. I just always thought they'd be anywhere, being able to communicate with anything over any distance (sort of in the unentangled until deciding to decohere a bit), then again I read mixed accounts of the astral on the internet when reading about parasitic entities - some people take the attitude that it's a natural 24 hour biome, other people suggest that it's very dark to the spirits, that they can't see much of anything, can only experience things when riding a host, and if they'd run from the sunlight it's like them running from the rays of the Solar Logos.

Whatever I have going on really doesn't seem to be meeting what I'd think of as the parasitic litmus tests from the standpoint that I tried turning on some porn and sitting stoicly to see if it would do anything; hardly budged. I went to Celestial Sanctum in meditation and offered it into the loving arms of the Cosmic to see it back to the light, it kinda just felt like the energy perched on top of my head like a cat but didn't go anywhere. I did a few more things to monitor responses and similarly I didn't get reactions. It doesn't react to bible, it doesn't react to the going appropriated name of the Solar Logos these days - Lord JC (and no I just asked for advice - not the whole 'Begone in the naaaaaaaame and blooooooood of the risen Lord!!!' and I think this thing would have just started licking myself if I had). It seems like it's on the fence between bothering my system on one hand and being indifferent to the usual affects on the other.

I'll have to see how I sleep tonight. Typically if this is happening and I haven't slept in a while, once I get a good night of sleep this seems to stop. I've had creative overshadowings work the same way as well.

[taijitu2]

They've told me they can see me both inward and outward, which I take as being able to observe us as we view other people (When we look as someone who is in a room with us for instance) as well as experiencing the world as we view it through our own eyes. I'd include senses of touch, smell, taste, ect in this.That being said, they are liars by their nature. I've asked several times questions along the lines of "what the name of a book hidden from my line of sight" or "what is that persons name" and they have never been able to answer. The excuse is that it "isn't fun" or "thats not what we are here to do" but for all intents it can indicate several things.

Perhaps they truly are bound by what we know consciously or subconsciously.Conversely some higher power then them may prevent this. Without pacts or rituals maybe this is all they care to say.

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

Perhaps they truly are bound by what we know consciously or subconsciously.Conversely some higher power then them may prevent this. Without pacts or rituals maybe this is all they care to say.

Well, they at least being the astral peanut gallery not the royal they. I get the impression that there are significantly more advanced things around us, just that the script is flipped and they're much less interested in us than we generally are in them.