Neuroscience and the Subconscious

[BrokenSeeker]

So neuroscience has confirmed that our subconscious generates our reality. While this is something that Freud theorized, and chaos magicians use to do magick, I think it's fantastic that neuroscience is catching up. The first episode of a six part special on the subject is appearing on PBS tonight. http://www.pbs.org/the-brain-with-david ... s-reality/

[Hadit]

What a poor article. "The brain sees, not the eyes". "No color or smell exist, just what we call those things". A poor attempt to try and make things more mystical. The brain processes information, yes, and we've known that for a long time. But to say that the subconscious creates reality is, well, utter nonsense.

[magari]

Id say reality and the human experience are two separate things, one depending on the other, but the correlation is far from linear.

In other words, you can choose how you experience reality.

[Phaedra]

In many ways mind creates the reality we are living. This can be seen in relation between mind, perception and reality.

Your way to see reality you are living in is the reality you are living in and like zen-practitioners ask "does reality vanish when I die", should we also put serious consideration to this question.

Once I talked about religion with old Buddhist monk who said that "Everything one believes is true to oneself" and I see this very much so. Chaotes for example use belief system as a tool and we can see this "mind creates reality" attitude also in this kind of practices where our own belief works as tool which costs change in reality itself.

[Asha_88]

That's my topic haha! I study psychology and I've had so much neuropsychology classes that I could write a book about it haha ! ( Not really , I'm not that knowledgeable ) . So I've had to read many articles about the brain when we meditate that if you guys are intrested , I will post some of them there :

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1361002/

http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 009-0342-3


Basically they both say that when we meditate , our brain activates areas that aren't activated when we are simply awake....I'm not good at explaining , so I let you guys check these articles [happy2]

[Cygnus]

Sorry to be pedantic, but neuroscience is the study of the nervous system, ie neurones (nerve cells), neurotransmitters, synapses, glial cells etc.

Discussions regarding the subconscious are the province of psychology.

The guys I knew who worked in the neuroscience lab next door to our lab would have been very vexed if you'd assumed they were interested in something that couldn't be photographed, put on a microscope slide or probed with electrodes.

[Hadit]

Sorry to be pedantic, but neuroscience is the study of the nervous system, ie neurones (nerve cells), neurotransmitters, synapses, glial cells etc.

Discussions regarding the subconscious are the province of psychology.

The guys I knew who worked in the neuroscience lab next door to our lab would have been very vexed if you'd assumed they were interested in something that couldn't be photographed, put on a microscope slide or probed with electrodes.

If we had an upvote/like system, I'd give you one.

[BrokenSeeker]

Sorry to be pedantic, but neuroscience is the study of the nervous system, ie neurones (nerve cells), neurotransmitters, synapses, glial cells etc.

Discussions regarding the subconscious are the province of psychology.

The guys I knew who worked in the neuroscience lab next door to our lab would have been very vexed if you'd assumed they were interested in something that couldn't be photographed, put on a microscope slide or probed with electrodes.

If you're going to be pedantic, try to be right. What you're describing is one part of a multidisciplinary field. Description of neuroscience from wikipedia.

"Neuroscience is the scientific study of the nervous system.[1] Traditionally, neuroscience has been seen as a branch of biology. However, it is currently an interdisciplinary science that collaborates with other fields such as chemistry, cognitive science, computer science, engineering, linguistics, mathematics, medicine (including neurology), genetics, and allied disciplines including philosophy, physics, and psychology. It also exerts influence on other fields, such as neuroeducation,[2] neuroethics, and neurolaw. The term neurobiology is usually used interchangeably with the term neuroscience, although the former refers specifically to the biology of the nervous system, whereas the latter refers to the entire science of the nervous system."

Here is another one from Medical News Today. http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/248680.php

Neuroscience, also known as Neural Science, is the study of how the nervous system develops, its structure, and what it does. Neuroscientists focus on the brain and its impact on behavior and cognitive functions. Not only is neuroscience concerned with the normal functioning of the nervous system, but also what happens to the nervous system when people have neurological, psychiatric and neurodevelopmental disorders.

Neuroscience is often referred to in the plural, as neurosciences.

Neuroscience has traditionally been classed as a subdivision of biology. These days, it is an interdisciplinary science which liaises closely with other disciplines, such as mathematics, linguistics, engineering, computer science, chemistry, philosophy, psychology, and medicine.

Here is another one from the Society for Neuroscience. https://www.sfn.org/about/about-neuroscience

Brain researchers are motivated to understand behavior. How do cell circuits enable us to read and speak? How and why do we form relationships? How do we think, remember, despair, or motivate? Scientists discover possible causes of devastating disorders of the brain and body, as well as ways to prevent or cure them. And they strive to advance a centuries-old scientific quest to understand how the world around us works.

[Kami]

I also have quite a hunger for neuroscience.

I have noticed that neural activity looks like the lightening in clouds during a storm.

Also how the galactic structure of the universe; galaxy clusters - resemble neural structures of the brain.

And also furthermore... how the human brain has 100 billion neurons, give or take - just how like in our universe we have 100 billion galaxies, give or take.

And I'm sure there's more pattern "like" resemblances... but I have not yet become enlightened to them.

I figured out how to convey 1's and 0's through a process called: "Ideomotor Effect"; using two pencils and a pressure point with sensitivity towards suggestion.

I obtain my encrypted message by an array of eight rows consisting of 8 digits of either zero or one.

I take this data and convert it from binary to text and then gather what I can about the symbol it dealt.

Now in a way this is within the range of neuroscience... yes?

More elaborate info on: "HowToObtain RandomBinaryData - Ideomotor Effect"; http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... =3&t=38306

Also I must add that I will make few posts that deal with the psychological aspect that can be used to strengthen the magickal effects of practitioners.

One of the posts will be titled: "The Colors of The Heart and Mind Unified! (Auras)".

The other secondary post is more further yet sill under the light of this subject... hopefully.~ [Diviniation with Dice!] ...

Hope to chat with y'all soon... ^___^

Edit:
There is something new I have just realized,
With my "thought form constellation forger", I can apply my knowledge of the universe and create a 3D hologram image of my "thought form constellation" and place it onto a clockwise rotating plate and light up only byte-clusters.

In the end of this setup, you will see your thought form constellation moving in a full repeating circle in 3d as a hologram under any colored light of choice.

Requirements:
1.) A powerful enough motor with a mini fan on it.
A.)Tape a flat circular plate onto the blades of the fan.

2.) An android phone, computer or tablet.
A.) Convert your finalized "thought form constellation" into the proper format for the 3d holography pyramid made out of plastic cd cases.
B.) http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=QzQTZ32ZK8Q
C.) Place the screen that is showing your thought form constellation with the transparent holography pyramid onto the rotating plate.

3.) I'm still figuring this part out, how to light up in proper format - the clusters of dots which represent star constellations and neuron constellations.
A.) I wil elaborate on this later.

4.) Thought form Constellation Forger
A.) http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... =9&t=38282

You can also convert your thought form constellation of dots into a wind up music box or from an online virtual music box or an app version! :3

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

I remember in AMORC we had early exercises telling us to go to storefronts, look at them carefully, and try to visualize them exactly as they are - ie. as someone practices certain kinds of techniques and disciplines it seems like the idea is to put a person in a place where if they did look at The Unexpected Visitor. On one hand doing something that seems like training for photographic memory seems like a great challenge but I do sometimes wonder, like what this guy was saying in the video with the 1:5 ratio of sensory information - do we have room for it if what we're accessing is stored in the physical brain? Do we know what the tell-tale signs are that we've hit capacity?

The thing that seems scrappy to me right now is how we assign all of these faculties to the brain, including a lifetime worth of memories in long-term storage, and can account for all of that fitting or holding coherence on dendrites and synapses when large parts of the cortex are constantly reshaping with every new endeavor that we put them to. It makes me wonder also if the next step in really assessing models - ie. materialist model of brain as everything vs. non-materialist with brain as interface - will be the place where a lot of the hasty assumptions will be wiped out, particularly if we're able to calculate the brain's data carrying capacity under such current theories vs. the number of bytes, kilobytes, gigabytes, and terabytes that it's actually holding if it works the way we currently assume that it does. Just the practical consideration that subconscious memory as occultly understood and experienced seems to hold all things previously forgotten tends to suggest that the subconscious as we'd think of it is not in the brain but beyond it and I think back to Stuart Hameroff's finding of brainwaves being generated at the microtubule through decoherance as being part of that bridge possibly between layers of the mind that might be physical (say - everything our conscious minds rely upon for day to day activity) and what might be beyond it (deeper subconscious and perhaps even many kinds of long-term storage). I also think about how abstract dreams can be and for as much as materialist analysis of them tries to yield the symbols as being number-crunching activities for pending possibilities much of the time they just seem too far out there to fit that criteria.

It goes to show just how little we have figured out and just how many of our popular theories are incomplete.

One thing that does hit home for me is that in martial arts a certain change in the use of visual information has to take place - ie. much less limb and body watching and more keeping a sense of distance and precursory movement, just because if someone lanky enough did snap out a kick there would be no distance between them standing on two feet and you on your back looking up at the ceiling and it's because of the visual lag he'd describing. My instructor wears glasses to read but won't wear them when we're practicing and says he actually prefers touch because - for him at least - it's a lot less deceptive.

[Kami]

I remember in AMORC we had early exercises telling us to go to storefronts, look at them carefully, and try to visualize them exactly as they are - ie. as someone practices certain kinds of techniques and disciplines it seems like the idea is to put a person in a place where if they did look at The Unexpected Visitor. On one hand doing something that seems like training for photographic memory seems like a great challenge but I do sometimes wonder, like what this guy was saying in the video with the 1:5 ratio of sensory information - do we have room for it if what we're accessing is stored in the physical brain? Do we know what the tell-tale signs are that we've hit capacity?

The thing that seems scrappy to me right now is how we assign all of these faculties to the brain, including a lifetime worth of memories in long-term storage, and can account for all of that fitting or holding coherence on dendrites and synapses when large parts of the cortex are constantly reshaping with every new endeavor that we put them to. It makes me wonder also if the next step in really assessing models - ie. materialist model of brain as everything vs. non-materialist with brain as interface - will be the place where a lot of the hasty assumptions will be wiped out, particularly if we're able to calculate the brain's data carrying capacity under such current theories vs. the number of bytes, kilobytes, gigabytes, and terabytes that it's actually holding if it works the way we currently assume that it does. Just the practical consideration that subconscious memory as occultly understood and experienced seems to hold all things previously forgotten tends to suggest that the subconscious as we'd think of it is not in the brain but beyond it and I think back to Stuart Hameroff's finding of brainwaves being generated at the microtubule through decoherance as being part of that bridge possibly between layers of the mind that might be physical (say - everything our conscious minds rely upon for day to day activity) and what might be beyond it (deeper subconscious and perhaps even many kinds of long-term storage). I also think about how abstract dreams can be and for as much as materialist analysis of them tries to yield the symbols as being number-crunching activities for pending possibilities much of the time they just seem too far out there to fit that criteria.

It goes to show just how little we have figured out and just how many of our popular theories are incomplete.

One thing that does hit home for me is that in martial arts a certain change in the use of visual information has to take place - ie. much less limb and body watching and more keeping a sense of distance and precursory movement, just because if someone lanky enough did snap out a kick there would be no distance between them standing on two feet and you on your back looking up at the ceiling and it's because of the visual lag he'd describing. My instructor wears glasses to read but won't wear them when we're practicing and says he actually prefers touch because - for him at least - it's a lot less deceptive.

I have read everything here, what caught my attention was when you mentioned: "abstract dreams" and the materialists analysis of them.

I'm not sure just how much of a materialist I am... but what I have learned from my dreams is to pay attention to the motions of my dreams; it does not matter what color the car was in a dream... but how the car sounded, and where it was heading towards.

Also the imagination in the dream world is a lot like someone in art class being creative and shaping and coloring onto and sometimes into "the truth visualized".

For example, instead of writing the word: "The", one has a tendency of Art'ifying the word: "The", making it look fancy, but none the less... it is still the word: "The".

So similarly in nature, our dreams are over exaggerated immersed with a truth or accurate calculation of the subconscious mind.

This time.. the devil is not in the details...

Thank you for your post as you have given me something new to practice; photographic memory. ~

[DeclareInsane]

The subconscious does create our reality but not in the way that we think. Our reality is created by the choices we make. You choose to smoke 30 cigarettes per day then your reality is going to be short lived. Choices and action make our reality. These choices and action are believed to be made consciously but most of it is actually unconscious. And because it's unconscious processes/actions we cannot be aware of it. So you cannot be conscious or realize our unconscious actions and choices because it is unconscious.

This is where the psychological view of chaos magick comes in. It explains that through ritual magick we can change that unconscious actions and choices to create the results we desire. The conscious directs the intent and the subconscious resolves it in whatever way it see fit, the process, choices and actions still remain in the unconscious awareness and we call it magick because we are unaware of the choices and actions that resulted in our intent manifesting. There is no magick, only clever psychology, it's self hypnosis.

So our subconscious effects our choices and actions and thus creates our reality through those actions and choices. No mystical or magickal stuff happening, just cause and effect.

[Analytic13]

Your going to be alive and have energy regardless of the relations of the organs in the body..they are just a means to an end..and decoration or art of a type of fulfillment of the art of philosophy..

[Kami]

So neuroscience has confirmed that our subconscious generates our reality. While this is something that Freud theorized, and chaos magicians use to do magick, I think it's fantastic that neuroscience is catching up. The first episode of a six part special on the subject is appearing on PBS tonight. http://www.pbs.org/the-brain-with-david ... s-reality/

You are correct!

Check this out:

What they are doing in the video above is sending signals to the roaches brain stimulating the neurons that are associated with its antennas - wirelessly through bluetooth.

So basically ... Through their phones- they dl the app for this project and run it.

All they have to do is swipe to the left or to the right,
To make it go left or right.

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How is this related to this post?

We are all mostly aware of the movie - "the matrix".
We know the cool definition of reality via morpheous,
[R]eal, is simply electrochemical signals - interpreted by the brain.

So if you can find a way to try this experiment with a human no one cares about,
Then that's when sh*t gets crazy interesting.

But anyways,
Back onto topic.

Our subconscious is basically the memory consciousness - that might be associated with our heart.

Our unconscious is basically our involuntary will that acts upon our beliefs which are stored in our subconscious. *Our unconscious mind might be associated with our stomach.*

And then there is - us- the conscious observer,
Which we all have a good hint that our conscious awareness is associated with our brain.

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Not that these two other minds can be directly found within our heart or stomach,
But that through our brain - they just might be hooked up that way.

What I am getting at is,
There is a default reality interpreted by our brains via electric signals,
And if that is the case,
Then through the correct meditation techniques and enlightenment via gnosis - you can probably alter that part of your brain that is interpreting reality.

Or you can cheat your way using the magick of science - using chips and what not. >_>

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I wonder if this could help trigger a temporary or even permanent form synesthesia.

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Here is a movie I found on netflix - called: "Listening":

Watch the movie.
Then come back and realize how scary science is becoming. x_x

Here is the movie description:
"A team of genius-but-broke grad students invent mind-reading technology that destroys their lives and threatens the future of free-will itself."

Basically they become victims to a corrupt orginaztion that utilizes their technology for more efficient mind control via computers.

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I love movies like this - that have to do with the brain - e.t.c.

Like the movie: "The Lazarus Effect",
Which is all about bringing the dead back to life.

And the way they go about it in the movie is 99.9% identical to my theory about bringing the dead back to life.

So I am in love with stuff life that.

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I recall finding a method to obtain random binary from our unconscious muscle movements using two pencils.

I'm sure - if tweaked with enough - someone might find a system through this method that works.

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Do you think if used correctly,
The flashing of different colored lights at different intensities - could trigger memories or music memories or even stimulate muscle movement?

[Kami]

Sorry - forgot to add this ... Can't edit anymore. ~

Through the scope of a psychoanalytic lens, humans are described as having sexual and aggressive drives. Psychoanalytic theorists believe that human behavior is deterministic. It is governed by irrational forces, and the unconscious, as well instinctual and biological drives. Due to this deterministic nature, psychoanalytic theorists do not believe in free will.

[Kami]

What a poor article. "The brain sees, not the eyes". "No color or smell exist, just what we call those things". A poor attempt to try and make things more mystical. The brain processes information, yes, and we've known that for a long time. But to say that the subconscious creates reality is, well, utter nonsense.

I agree,
But in the dream world it becomes true.

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As for our five senses,
We have:
1.) Touch
2.) Taste
3.) Smell
4.) Sight
5.) Hearing

There is no singular consciousness.

We have 5 different "physical" forms of consciousness.

We don't see,
We saw,
We don't hear,
We heard,
E.T.C.

Reality is something coming and going.

Reality comes and goes through our fives senses.

And our perception of reality is based off of our senses configuration; there is no "I" - but: "circuit based consciousness".

Ask someone who has a form of synesthesia,
What "reality" is to them.

It's profound.

B.T.W. - Do you know of any chaos magick methods to induce luicd dreaming?
I'm having a hard time keeping a dream journal...
I have a lot of things I wanna try.

[Kami]

I've been waiting to post about this,
I just found the information on my fb.

In a kind of spooky experiment, scientists at the Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences reveal that our decisions are made seconds before we become aware of them.

In the study, participants could freely decide if they wanted to press a button with their right or left hand.

The only condition was that they had to remember when they made the decision to either use their right hand or left hand.

Using fMRI, researchers would scan the brains of the participants while all of this was going on in order to find out if they could in fact predict which hand the participants would use BEFORE they were consciously aware of the decision.

The Results

By monitoring the micro patterns of activity in the frontopolar cortex, the researchers could predict which hand the participant would choose 6-7 SECONDS before the participant was aware of the decision.

“Your decisions are strongly prepared by brain activity. By the time consciousness kicks in, most of the work has already been done,” said study co-author John-Dylan Haynes, a Max Planck Institute neuroscientist.

I don’t even know where to begin here! I know from the hypnosis research that the unconscious pretty much controls everything and that consciousness is extremely limited.

But, I do find it a bit disconcerting that decisions are made by unconscious me 7 seconds before conscious me…

I am not the only one.

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Watch Marcus Du Sautoy (Professor of Mathematics at the University of Oxford) go through the study himself. The 7 second delay is in full effect.

Marcus is really disturbed here and brings up the subject of free will. Does this mean we really do NOT have free will?

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How do we manipulate this phenomenon?